Othaglot and Cane - Story Thread

[Atrocities]

Hell we should all get together and start our own sci-fi book publishing company.

Book for the fans written by fans. Include fan fiction from many games, both sci-fi and other.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

we'd have to get permission from the owners of those universe's.

[dogscoff]

Owners of those universes... Man I'd like to own a universe. Be a ***** to redecorate though, and as for the heating bills.

In theory, puke's complaint should now be fixed. Now for the difficult bit...

[dogscoff]

Just Downloaded Opera 7. Damn, when did Opera go from being a neat, tidy little browser with a few cool features to a cluttered, confusing unusable monstrosity?

BTW, my page doesn't seem to work in Opera either. This is ridiculous. What's the point in having standards if the different browsers won't honour them?

I'm sure Microsoft's to blame somehow.

[capnq]

Dogscoff, I just took a quick look around with Opera and had no problems whatsoever with your site.

[edit] Oops, I take that back. The fiction page isn't showing any titles.

What software are you using to create the pages? I've heard that some programs put a lot of unnecessary junk in the code.

[ March 16, 2004, 17:47: Message edited by: capnq ]

[Phoenix-D]

Originally posted by dogscoff:

I'm sure Microsoft's to blame somehow.

IE doesn't impliment the standards ussually. Since its also the most popular browswer, most sites code for it instead of the standard.

[Baron Munchausen]

Well, today I discovered that the links in the 'quote-o-matic' actually work in Mozilla. They didn't before. So one more thing has been fixed. But the buttons that are supposed to give main entry into the story still don't work, nor does the list of chapters appear when you get into a chapter using a link from the 'quote-o-matic'.

The content seems pretty good. It's been so long since I read the previous few chapters that it's hard to compare them to the revised stuff. I don't remember the old Version clearly anymore. But there is a sense of a new direction in this material and that's good since the story seemed to be petering out before. Changing the tone of the story at this point is actually a good move. Othaglot is moving into a completely different world now.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

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Originally posted by dogscoff:

I'm sure Microsoft's to blame somehow.

IE doesn't impliment the standards ussually. Since its also the most popular browswer, most sites code for it instead of the standard.

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If the most popular browser and most websites don't use the "standard", it doesn't really fit the definition of a standard does it?

[Puke]

standards? peh. how long have you all been working with technology? of any sort? standards are always a long and painfull process, and firm ones take ages to congeal into anything truely standard. by and large, standards are defacto rather than whatever cutesy bullpoo standards committees come up with. no matter how good the paper standard might look or be.

anyway, the problem i reported is fixed. I have also noticed that I get a white space on the left verticle pipe when i click on the change quote button. it stays until i roll the cursor off of the button. seems to be a one cell gap that is created as the image expands and then contracts.

[dogscoff]

What software are you using to create the pages?

Notepad.

oday I discovered that the links in the 'quote-o-matic' actually work in Mozilla. They didn't before.

Yeah, they weren't working too well in IE either. Most were OK, but it turned out that by copy/ pasting text from the main page, I was including "" marks that weren't part of the standard charset, and somehow that was stuffing up the hrefs on a minority of the quotes. I think I got them all fixed now.

the buttons that are supposed to give main entry into the story still don't work

Yeah, I just don't get that. The code that generates those buttons is pretty quirky, but it doesn't use anything contraversial as far as I can tell.

nor does the list of chapters appear when you get into a chapter using a link from the 'quote-o-matic'.

The chapter list thing is probably down to my use of the "innerText" property, which was invented by MS and shunned by everyone else. However, I have yet to find an alternative: If you're dynamically creating a link that in html would look like this:

code:

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<A Href="X" ALT="Y">Z</A> 

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then adding X and Y is easy using the DOM- you create the A element, attach it to a parent node and then use something like element.href="X", and element.alt="Y" to fill in those properties.
Unfortunately there appears to be no way to put the Z in there without using MS's innerText. I could easily attach a gif or something, but that pretty much defeats the whole object of an easily maintained, dynamically generated list that can be restyled using css.
If anyone can come up with a more widely-accepted alternative to innerText, I'll gladly make the changes.

Remember that all my knowledge of javascript is self-taught from various tutorials on the web. I have no books, tutors or universal references to go to for help. The answer's probably there, but I just can't find it- all these tutorials are so keen to tell you how to dynamically create a link with an image that no-one ever tells you how to create one with just text.

It's been so long since I read the previous few chapters...I don't remember the old Version clearly anymore.

This is what I was afraid of. It's a pretty complex plot (or at least, there's a lot of stuff to remember) and I haven't done anyone any favours by taking so damn long to update it. That was the idea behind the story summaries. If you're really feeling lost, plot wise, and you don't have time to re-read the entire story it will only take a few minutes to skim through all the "story so far" chapter summaries. That should be enough to bring all the pertinent bits back to your memory.

[ March 24, 2004, 09:17: Message edited by: dogscoff ]