Viscious Circle 3 - Page 19

Fakeymcfake · #1 January 12th, 2010, 03:17 PM

Having problems getting my turn in, Llamaserver keeps bouncing them back to me. Could I get a delay so that I don't stale?

GrudgeBringer · #2 January 12th, 2010, 09:29 PM

Fakeymcfake,

I had been watching the VC3 thread and had even extended it once on my own because we had very few people with turns submitted.

It says you posted your request at 3:15 and I had checked it an hour before noticing 3 people had not posted their turns and it was getting ready to host.

I would have extended the game if I would have seen your request a little earlier or you had Pm'd me that you had issues (I can only check the forum so many times a day). But we have had 3 people stale when I checked the admin stale record it wasn't the first.

I don't know if rolling the turn back for all 3 people is a great idea and I do believe you about issues with llamaserver.

If those that did not stale will post their feelings or PM me on the situation we will discuss it. And if it was only one person that was having 'issues' I would be more inclined to roll the turn back, than to reward the others who didn't get them in.

I have staled twice myself, and the only person that hasn't is Hinnom.

DO NOT send in any turns anybody until you let me know how you want this handled as we JUST went thru this in NvsV and it was a 10 day delay getting everyone to understand how to delete the right files etc.

Squirrelloid · #3 January 12th, 2010, 09:58 PM

I don't even remembering staling... I wonder what turn *that* was? I was pretty sure I'd gotten every turn in...

So, looking at who staled, Niefl and Pan are... in a war right now? So no advantage either way. I have no reason to believe Ulm is especially inconvenienced by the stale.

Without hearing reasons why the stale was exceptionally bad (from an a priori point of view - looking at the new turn file should not inform the decision), I don't see a reason to rollback.

I'm all in-favor of rollbacks for people when they failed to submit a turn due to no fault of their own, and i sympathize with Fakey, but it doesn't appear like it actually hurt him in any definable way. If he really insists on a rollback though I'll support him.

Fakeymcfake · #4 January 12th, 2010, 10:44 PM

Don't worry about it. Just posted to see if I could get it, isn't game breaking by any means for myself.

Lihaässä · #5 January 13th, 2010, 01:46 PM

Why would you think and say that Squirrelloid?

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I have no reason to believe Ulm is especially inconvenienced by the stale

Last turn was as important as any other - however, this one was my own bad (sent wrong file to the server). If other staled players want to roll back, I'll follow their lead, but otherwise I won't request that.

Kietsensei · #6 January 13th, 2010, 01:56 PM

I am not really for a rollback as it will change all bad and good events, lucky rolls against Magic resitance in all battles. However I will follow the majority.

Squirrelloid · #7 January 13th, 2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kietsensei

I am not really for a rollback as it will change all bad and good events, lucky rolls against Magic resitance in all battles. However I will follow the majority.

If a rollback is warranted, anything that you learned from the new turn isn't relevant to whether a rollback should happen or not. A priori knowledge, not a posteriori, is the relevant basis for deciding whether a rollback should occur. This is a matter of principle, not 'oh no, but good stuff happened to me'. (Edit: I do not believe people who submitted a turn should be allowed to submit a new one. I also do not believe people who staled should look at the new turn until and unless the rollback discussion is concluded).

So, if Fakey was really concerned, since his failure to submit a turn was not his fault, he'd have a good case for a rollback.

On the other hand, given the stale didn't seem to hurt him any, it may not be worth the hassle of actually doing it - and that's a subjective call for Fakey to make.

Squirrelloid · #8 January 13th, 2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lihaässä

Why would you think and say that Squirrelloid?

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I have no reason to believe Ulm is especially inconvenienced by the stale

Last turn was as important as any other - however, this one was my own bad (sent wrong file to the server). If other staled players want to roll back, I'll follow their lead, but otherwise I won't request that.

You are not engaged in a war (that I am aware of), so only the typical inconveniences of a stale turn happened to you. To be especially inconvenienced would require staling to have led to disastrous losses you wouldn't have otherwise experienced.

Trumanator · #9 January 13th, 2010, 04:00 PM

I have no need for one.

GrudgeBringer · #10 January 13th, 2010, 04:40 PM

Good...no rollback, proceed with the wars gentlemen.