Scales or Blessing Effect?

[Endoperez]

I don't think you have any defence against Vine Shield. I think that it casts Tangle Vines on the attacker... but don't know for sure. Maybe I should try that.

The damage from repel is just a 1 point, but if 8 points of armor-piercing fire damage are given besides it as they are for normal attacks... *shudder*!

On the other hand... I could see need for pike-wielding sacred unit.

[Arralen]

Originally posted by Endoperez:
The damage from repel is just a 1 point, but if 8 points of armor-piercing fire damage are given besides it as they are for normal attacks...

According to the devs, repel shouldn't trigger any "special" attack neither from weapon nor bless. In fact, repel is a special attack all for itself and doesn't use the normal attack code. It's a sub-part of it.

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[Tuna-Fish]

It sure does trigger poisoning, and some of the whips are really effective because of it. Like the rat tail whip on a trampler. I just assumed it triggers the fire damage as well. I also think it triggers lighning damage on lightning spear, but not sure. I'll test it a little later but I'm on a bit of a hurry now.

[Arralen]

Yeah, do some thorough testing with different weapons and units, please ..

johan osterman posted here :
There is a one point dmg max from successful repell attempts, but this is not a regular attack (code-wise) and would probably not use any specials of a weapon such as poison or fire, perhaps even magic (vs ethereals). Not sure though.

Personally I haven't seen any "special effect" from repel .. would be interested to see a big test run .. maybe it only works with certain weapons etc.

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[Tuna-Fish]

Tested quickly with Gandalf Parker's Mini map. Results were conclusive: When repelling, no magic effects take place, not even poisoning, regardless the hint in the manual.

Tested with:
Wine Whip
Rat tail
Fire brand
Lighning spear
Thorn spear

Wielded on a black lord (or Raterik) with lead shield (to get def down), burning pearl and a girdle of might, tested against hordes of harpies. Several succesful repels that caused only 1 point of damage were seen for each of the weapons.

Just to be sure, also tested on Vanheim Vanir with fire 9, still no effects.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Tuna-Fish:
Tested quickly with Gandalf Parker's Mini map. Results were conclusive: When repelling, no magic effects take place, not even poisoning, regardless the hint in the manual.

Tested with:
Wine Whip
Rat tail
Fire brand
Lighning spear
Thorn spear

Wielded on a black lord (or Raterik) with lead shield (to get def down), burning pearl and a girdle of might, tested against hordes of harpies. Several succesful repels that caused only 1 point of damage were seen for each of the weapons.

Just to be sure, also tested on Vanheim Vanir with fire 9, still no effects.

Great, thank you for clarification Tuna-fish. I expected that much but wasn't 100% sure, so it's good to know.

What about my question (read below) about different shields and what triggers them(any attack, or attack that lands, or attack that lands _and_ cause damage), and what saves aginst them? Aslo is there a firmula on how fast target can break free from vines? I know it's supposed to be related to strength somehow, but don;t know the details.

[Stormbinder]

Bump - I still would like to know answers to my questions about 3 different shield-type protection (astral, fire, vine - read below), as well as what is the formula for the unit to break free from vines.


Also I have question about fire9 blessing - I've read that it is separate fire-based "armor-piercing" attack (damage 8 if I remeber correctly) with no str bonus. Is it so?


Also is it the same way as "Flame Arrows" effect work - meaning each arrow effectively strike twice with regular attack and fire AP attack?

[PrinzMegaherz]

Tested quickly with Gandalf Parker's Mini map. Results were conclusive: When repelling, no magic effects take place, not even poisoning, regardless the hint in the manual.

I just had some harpies swarm some atlantis infantry (you know, those with the poisoned sticks). All atlantians died in the first round, but there was poison damage to some harpies.

[Tuna-Fish]

The atlantians have pointy poison armour, if you have a short weapon you risk touching it when attacking.

[Stormbinder]

Bumping an old thread with some unanswered questions of mine - read below pls.