Saber Cherry is alive and well

[Daynarr]

Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical, or to quote you:

I can be a nice guy, but I'm also just as skeptical and untrusting as I appear, if not more so. It's a trait that has kept me alive. If I wasn't this way, I'd already be dead.

from this thread http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=74;t=003151

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?
Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don’t buy it.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it. Of course, I still stated it was a rumor, admittedly one which we had no reason to doubt given evidence to the contrary, unless, of course, you had some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry. But since everyone likes Saber Cherry, why would we have doubted such a thing?

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Daynarr:
Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical

Yes, but this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?

People die every day. It's not unexpected, particularly in light of sudden disappearance. It usually means they fell into a booby trap or were captured or some other suitably unpleasant fate which awaits the unwary and careless in day to day life.

Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don’t buy it.

I have many things to investigate every day, such as the rumors of deaths of people I genuinely despised. If you had something against Saber Cherry, it would have been YOUR duty to investigate the rumor. I'm a busy man! I don't have time to investigate every minor rumor about matters that I am indifferent to! After all, this doesn't affect *ME* in any way. Clearly, you don't understand the manner in which my skepticism operates.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist.

No, I merely stated the rumor as a possible, consistent, cause of Saber Cherry's disappearance. I wasn't the one who originated it. I don't recall who started it, or whether the person who told me about it was the one who started it in any case, and rather than name the wrong name on accident, I'll just state that it's a name who I don't recall at the moment. I'm old and I have a long beard. My memory isn't what it used to be.

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it.

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Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt. The full context of your "undoubtedly" remark is:

it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.

... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt.

In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me. I had no reason to care either way: I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.

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it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.

... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

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That can be based on the following:
1. Saber Cherry has not harmed anyone.
2. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to have any grudge against Saber Cherry.
3. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to doubt that Saber Cherry's sudden and inexplicable disappearance was due to some sort of unpleasant and likely gruesome fate, as stated in the rumor.

[Daynarr]

Dude, you are not making any sense. You seem to got lost in between your own lies and fabrications.

But it's good that everyone can see it now.

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me.

No, a rumour is in doubt by whoever holds it to be a rumour. You said that that you never gave it higher status than a rumour, therefore you held it to be a rumour, therefore you hold it to be in doubt. Contradicting your other statement. How clear does it have to be before you'll admit it?

I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.

So now you're concluding that a single email, sent to confirm or refute your rumour, constitutes "stalking" and demonstrates that I have a grudge against SC?

Come back when you can make some kind of sense.

[Demosthenes]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
... this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.

This is insane. I hope that you are just roleplaying and muckraking for your personal amusement and are not really THIS freaking nuts.

This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society.

[Endoperez]

One out of the two is not bad, especially as the one that we still have it SC... Unfortunately, all the projects she thought up seem to be dead. I have some interest in modding, and have though about making a mod or two using the (general) ideas SC threw around... But that is a long way to go. I want to try the nations I still haven't, atleast for some turns, before I go on and make up my own.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Demosthenes:
This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society.

I think we've been over this before, but in truth, unless somebody has some personal meaning to me, I just don't feel anything for them. When you consider that there are over 6 billion random people on the planet, and more of them will die, and even more will sprout, then even Ashen Empire is allowed to have, the sense of impact is rather lost. So yes, it's safe to say I don't really place terribly much value on lives....because there's so much of it, and it's so perniciously difficult to be rid of, that can no longer be considered a scarce commodity as far as I'm concerned. Only when somebody is particularly important does their existence or nonexistence really matter to me. Everyone else exists in a sort of state of irrelevance: Live or die, I shrug, and life goes on.

Enemy of functional society? Hardly. You don't see me going on a rampage and killing people for no good reason. Society would actually function better if people got less worked up over everything.

Regardless, I suppose it's good to hear that Saber Cherry is still alive, at least for the moment.

[ July 11, 2004, 09:36: Message edited by: Norfleet ]