OT: Stupid Nazis

[Thermodyne]

TerranC said:

For those of us who do not live in that area, that is supposed to imply...?

They don't like people that are not of color in "their" hood. Even though people not of color foot the bill so that the people of color can live there to begin with. At times when the main roads are blocked, usually by police activity, I have to divert into the side areas. It really pisses me off to see all of the BMW's, MB, Jags in the public housing parking lots. They also abuse the cross walk law by standing in the crosswalks. Here, if there is a person in a crosswalk, you can not enter it with a car. So to block the streets, they stand in the cross walks.

This is not a rant agains people of color. This is a rand against low life trash that leach off of society and the liberals that enable this activity in the first place. And facts are facts, these people are of one ethnic group. I promote racial tolerance, but it has to be a two way street. And here it is not.

[Atrocities]

TerranC said:

Black power never caused a world war, and the Gay Rights Movement does not advocate a holocaust of heterosexuals. I would also like to mention that Blacks and Homosexuals have never lynched Whites or Heterosexuals for simply looking at a black woman or for talking with a gay man.

That is why people tolerate or even encourage those who celebrate "black power" and "gay power", and actively discourage and disassociate themselves with those who celebrate "white power".

Now we are just getting into racisim. Its ok for gays and blacks to have pride marches but its not ok for a bunch of dum *** white guys? If it is ok for one group of people to do something, then it must be so for all or there is no equality. You cannot condem them for having a march, you can only condem them for being stupid retards. I would also like to point out that these fools more likely than not, had nothing to do with causing any world war, and probably never will. I am sure we all can agree that the Nazi party is all about hatred while black and gay pride marches have historically been about peace and acceptance. What I fear is that some day a group of white people will want to celibrate their heritage and hold a march and in doing so be called nazi's when in fact they are not. That is the day that I would get seriously ticked off at some racisit people.

[TerranC]

Now we are just getting into racisim. Its ok for gays and blacks to have pride marches but its not ok for a bunch of dum *** white guys?

If they were only intellectually deficient, there would not be a problem. A problem arises when people who call for a racial conflict and genocide begin to hold marches and gatherings - and history has shown that such gatherings are filled with fanatics would would love (and most of the time, did) manifest their beliefs physically. This applies to any group of any races, be it Black Supremacists such as the Muslim Brotherhood, White Supremacists such as the Aryan Brotherhood, and anti-gay groups such as Fred Phelps and gang.

If it is ok for one group of people to do something, then it must be so for all or there is no equality.

I'm not arguing that.

I would also like to point out that these fools more likely than not, had nothing to do with causing any world war, and probably never will.

Are you so certain of that? All it takes is one catastrophe for these groups to capitalize upon and it will all go straight to hell, unless groups that promote hate are nipped in the bud. This is what happened to many arab nations, this is what caused the rise of the Nazi party, and others.

What I fear is that some day a group of white people will want to celibrate their heritage and hold a march and in doing so be called nazi's when in fact they are not. That is the day that I would get seriously ticked off at some racisit people.

That will never happen for Nazism and/or White Supremacy has no links to any culture, any heritage, or any ethnic group. No culture on the face of the planet has or espouses innate totalitarian, anti-semetic, pseudoscientific creeds. If a person of germanic origin began to force wursts into everyone's faces and kept talking about the greatness of the bavarian culture and cuisine, then he will be called a nazi, not because he is a german, but because he is ignorant.

[Atrocities]

I cannot disagree with you regarding the kind of uber dumb asses who think that being a member of the Nazi party skin head movement is something to be proud of. It isn't, and they are for the most part, angry young white guys who have less than a fifth grade education, suffor from low self esteme, and more likely than not, do drugs and have a criminal history.

These hate mongers are the lowest form of white trash that there is, and I am ashamed to think that all white people are somehow being grouped with these degenerates.

We live in a society where we enjoy the freedom to hold marches, even if it is a march about loving hatred, we have that right. Now I am not saying I would ever participate in such a thing, and would never preclude any person from marching in opposition to such a thing. In fact I would encourage it.

Hatred combined with stupidity and racisim is a very dangerous combination indeed. So dangerous that in normal instances such a thing would be pulled up by its roots and exterminated post haste. However since most of the neo-nazi's are just young druggie kids with a fourth grade education who are predestined by fate to die in prision or in some back ally with a needle hanging from their arm, I feel that for the most part we, as a whole, are safe from the resurgance of the megalomanics that brought about so much hardship for the world in the late 30's early 40's.

There is no way in hell these dumb *** kids and old inbread retards would ever be able to organize a political party. They simply do not have the I.Q. And in the event that our society should fall into chaos and these psyco bastards appoint themselves "the law," you can count on me to stand right beside you and kill each and every last one of them. Believe me when I say, we would be doing the world a favor by removing them permently from the gene pool.

I do hope the counter march goes well Starhawk.

[Renegade 13]

TerranC said:

Black power never caused a world war, and the Gay Rights Movement does not advocate a holocaust of heterosexuals. I would also like to mention that Blacks and Homosexuals have never lynched Whites or Heterosexuals for simply looking at a black woman or for talking with a gay man.

That is why people tolerate or even encourage those who celebrate "black power" and "gay power", and actively discourage and disassociate themselves with those who celebrate "white power".

TerranC, you are blaming a whole segment of society for the sins of the few. Take homosexuality for example. You said "Homosexuals have never lynched...Heterosexuals for simply...talking with a gay man" Probably true, and there have been a few unfortunate isolated instances where "gay bashing" has occured. However, the way you phrased your reply lumped all heterosexuals in with those who took the route of violence.

I do not hate homosexuals. I do however very strongly disapprove of their choice of lifestyle. I know that is not a popular opinion in this day and age, especially in Canada where I live. But if I went on the news and said I hate the choices people make when they indulge in a homosexual lifestyle, I would be condemned as a "homophobe". Isn't that my choice, my free opinion? Let me ask you this. Why is there a "gay pride" week and day and all that [censored], but if I tried to create a "heterosexual pride" day or week or whatever, I'd be considered a homophobe? Why can't I be proud of being a male, white, heterosexual person, without being condemned as a racist, sexist homophobe if I express pride in what I am?

Ladies and gentlemen, the world has swung too far. Trying to make up for the mistakes of the past has pushed the pendulum of acceptability too far the other way.

[Xrati]

I agree with Imperator Fyron.

Imperator Fyron said:
This is going to far... Lets all back away from this conversation now.


Remember the lives that were lost so that we could have the privilege of voicing our opinions right here on this board. They died believing that they would create a better world for their children and so on. We need to learn to differentiate good from bad and just leave it at that! BUT most of all we need to learn to get along together with each other.

[TerranC]

You said "Homosexuals have never lynched...Heterosexuals for simply...talking with a gay man"... However, the way you phrased your reply lumped all heterosexuals in with those who took the route of violence.

My comparison of heterosexuals regards to their relationship with homosexuals and americans of african descent and americans of european descent was only invoked to rebuke AT's flawed comparison of white power movements to black power movements or gay pride movements. I, in no way possible, said, meant to say, or alluded to saying that all whites are KKK members, or all germans are Nazis, or all heterosexuals are Fred Phelps-loving gay bashers. If you have construed my statement as saying the aforementioned opinions, then it is clear that you have read it out of context - that you have only quote-mined what I said. I would advise you to read the entire thread before accusing a person of saying such and such.

And as for your opinion on gay pride marches, do look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

[Renegade 13]

TerranC said:

My comparison of heterosexuals regards to their relationship with homosexuals and americans of african descent and americans of european descent was only invoked to rebuke AT's flawed comparison of white power movements to black power movements or gay pride movements. I, in no way possible, said, meant to say, or alluded to saying that all whites are KKK members, or all germans are Nazis, or all heterosexuals are Fred Phelps-loving gay bashers. If you have construed my statement as saying the aforementioned opinions, then it is clear that you have read it out of context - that you have only quote-mined what I said. I would advise you to read the entire thread before accusing a person of saying such and such.

And as for your opinion on gay pride marches, do look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

I have read the entire thread, from start to finish. However, I did take what you wrote in the wrong context, likely due to the speed at which I read it. It seems I have offended you, and I wish to say that that was not my intent, I merely was talking about a subject that can bother me greatly, and I obviously wrote too quickly, before thinking enough. I am sorry.

I must say though that my opinions of Gay Pride marches and the like were not changed much by the link you provided. I guess I am too set in my ways.

[Starhawk]

TerranC point being saying "Black Power" movements have never caused a World War is sort of like saying it's all the White man's fault that there were wars when let's be honest Black Power movements are not made up of the most charismatic or intelligent folks in the world I mean look at the "Muslim Brotherhood" they are irritating as hell even to the majority of black people I've met (although some are almost as bad in their own ways) and the Black Panthers are just morons all way around.

So if you want to "generalize' I think you'd have to say the only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is because the vast majority of those in Black Power movements aren't bright enough or charismatic enough to gain any kind of real power.

And if you looked at Germany the Nazi party gained power because the vast majority of Europeans are white yes, but also because in a way they rebuilt the German infrastructure they made Germany powerful again and they appealed not to "White pride" but GERMAN pride and GERMAN heritage as their rallying point, and as they "Liberated other Germanic nations" from the "oppression" of other countries the Germans and even hundreds of thousands of others from other surrounding nations were in a way pleased to see their "original" heritage being honored again and rising to power again after so long.

It's a little known fact but there were actually HUNDREDS of AMERICANS in the German Army during WWII and I do mean pure blooded born and bred Americans that were of German heritage and who were sent over by their families to "Fight for your Fatherland".

It was not "racism" alone That caused WWII but a mixture of economic and political problems that gave the Nazi Party it's break in the world to raise an army and get it's people riled up.

And the Modern "Neo-Nazis" obviously have never studied history as

1. They claim to be socialist while the real Nazi's who they claim to emulate were Fascist

2. They are an undisciplined bunch of idiots while the original Nazis were strict and regimented to keep the people in line.

3. The modern "Nazis" go around yelling Zeig Heil (sp?) which I've been told means "Victory and Welfare" about thirty times in a row and stomping and throwing a half assed Nazi salute.
While you'd only ever hear the real Nazis say it a handful of times in any given "ralley" much like we'd say "God bless America" or in the case of Brits "God Save the Queen" nobody would be stomping or shouting it like idiots either. I just find that funny is all.

And let's face it the modern "White Power" movements have NEVER caused a world war and probobly never will so you can NOT say "White Power movements" or White anything caused WWII because your seriously forgetting the Japanese and I don't think they subscribed to "White Power" do you?

Finally i have to say it here to risk offending anyone or sounding a little racist if I do sound racist I'm sorry but here it is anyway.

The vast majority of countries who's main populace is black (I'm damn well not saying "African American" because there are a BUNCH of countries who aren't american but are black) are dirt poor and too busy dealing with "Drugs, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing" and other crap to cause any world wide trouble I mean have you looked at Africa lately....two words "Hell Hole" not to mention primitive people who still beleive in zombies for crying out loud! Are these the people you think would be ABLE to start a world war?

So if you want to stick to "racial" theories the only reason black people have never started a world war is because they can't run their own countries much less anyone else's.

(I personally am NOT racist my best friend for a long time was a black guy I knew, I've asked out a Chinese girl and I've had several black friends)

But race wise let's look at it from a standoffish point of view if your want to stick to which "races" are more likely to cause a world war it's going to be white's and Asians because if you even look at Neighborhoods within the US white and Asian majority neighborhoods have far less crime then black neighborhoods not to mention the ghetto and the fact that Africa is basically one giant ghetto for the most part.

[AMF]

Renegade 13 said:
TerranC, you are blaming a whole segment of society for the sins of the few. Take homosexuality for example. You said "Homosexuals have never lynched...Heterosexuals for simply...talking with a gay man" Probably true, and there have been a few unfortunate isolated instances where "gay bashing" has occured. However, the way you phrased your reply lumped all heterosexuals in with those who took the route of violence.

Generally, the incidence rate of a crime has little to do with how reprehensible we find it. Just becuase something is isolated, does not make it any less wrong.

Lynching, in the traditional sense of the term, was also "isolated" in its' ocurrence. Despite that it happened only in "isolated" instances does not mitigate it's vileness.

The vileness of such a crime comes from the fact that it is an assualt upon the very definition of a person. A person who is black, or purple, or whatever, cannot change that fact - and an assualt upon them based on that very fact is generally understood to be more than just a "regular" assualt. I beleive this is part of the definition of hate crime: if I go out and murder someone, I have committed murder. But if I go out and murder the same person becuase they are white, then I have committed a hate crime - at least some would say.

Generally, I think in discussions like this I always come back to the idea that if one doesn't like homosexuality, don;t be homosexual. If one doesn't like Nazism, don't be a nazi. If one doesn't like relations before marriage, don't do it before marriage. If one doesn't like abortions, don't have one.

Frankly, just as I would fight to the death for the right of someone to burn a US flag or march in a Nazi march, I would find those acts just as reprehensible. But the Free Speech amendment is there for a reason. Possibly the most important reason in human history.

Alarik