Where are default Country Training/Morale points?

[Tiger_Reyth]

whew glad that was settled it was getting pretty tight in here...

T_R

[Nox]

Might want to increase the Finns morale slightly too at least in 1944. Currently they are at 65 same as Sweden?

[DRG]

If I gave those lists to 100 people I'd get 100 different lists back producing ENDLESS debate. EVERYBODY has their own ideas of where those numbers should be which is the main reason we don't publish the list. The other reason is it's in code and aside from the fact we don't publish code we found from past experience than half the people trying to read the way the numbers are strung together manage to read it wrong producing even more "debate". Which is why the game allows you to turn that off and use the numbers you want to use if you don't like ours

So my question to you is why should the Finns, finding themselves on the losing side in a major war and having to switch sides have higher morale than the Swedes who stayed out of it or higher than the Germans whos side they are on ? And also the Finns have a higher experience than the Swedes so the two combined make the Finns a tougher opponent. In the game the Finns are equal for both Experience and Morale to the Germans. Why should they be higher ?


Don

[narwan]

Kuklinovsky said:
Thanks for information!

I have checked some nations and I am quite confused! Let's take 1944 values:

- "R" nation is set as Tito's partisans by default. Their base experience is 60. It is possible in respect of regular combat. But their morale fixed at 60 is completely inadequate! Yugoslavian partisans were fierce fighters. Many times their were able to defeat Nazi occupation forces even in regular battles.

'R' is NOT set as the yugoslay partisan OB.

From the game manual:
"Yugoslavia OOB020

1930-1946

This OB covers the Yugoslav nation, and then the various partisan factions of the area... "

Narwan

[Tiger_Reyth]

O man just wen I thot there was gonna be peace...

I surrender!

T_R

[Nox]

DRG said:
So my question to you is why should the Finns, finding themselves on the losing side in a major war and having to switch sides have higher morale than the Swedes who stayed out of it or higher than the Germans whos side they are on ? And also the Finns have a higher experience than the Swedes so the two combined make the Finns a tougher opponent. In the game the Finns are equal for both Experience and Morale to the Germans. Why should they be higher ?


Don

Well Ive been thinking this long and all I can say is that the Finns lacked neither morale nor experience in the fighting of summer 1944 against the Russians. One thing that helped there was the fact that after the initial advance of 1941 it was trench warfare until the Soviets launched their summer offensive in June 1944.

The war in Lapland from Sep 1944- Apr 1945 against the Germans I cant really say much about since I have not studied it in any great detail. I do know that the Finns fighting there were mostly new recruits due to Soviet demand that the veterans must be send home, so experience and most likely morale too was lower in that war.

Well It is no big deal really and a difference of 5 is probably little effect on actual game play. I just thought that maybe there was some kind of error since the finnish morale values suddenly go from 70 to 65 in 1943 and especialy in 1944 when the decisive fighting took place.

[wulfir]

Nox said:
Currently they are at 65 same as Sweden?

Reasonable, given that the best Finnish troops were the Swedish-speaking regiments.

Tulkaa nyt katsomaan kuinka hurrit tappelevat...

[Nox]

wulfir said:
Reasonable, given that the best Finnish troops were the Swedish-speaking regiments.

In Wulfirs hypothetical World War 2 where also the Danish forces were fierce fighters and played a major role in the war along whit Sweden?

[Nox]

Ahhh... and Swedish speaking and Swedish have two different meanings. Finland is a two language country afterall.

[Tiger_Reyth]

Well I found a morale table by year. It's an old chart but it should be at least a basis of judging morale and experience:

http://www.bostream.nu/brickhouse/spp1_0.html

You have to scroll all the way down to the bottom

T_R