Russian units v4

[DRG]

This has nothing to do with the 14.5mm CMG. It's mainly the mix up's between weapons 63 and 64

Don

[KraMax]

We have assumed that CMG - is a machine gun on pintle (or pivot or coupling bolt).

[DRG]

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A 7.62mm PKT CMG is used because a 7.62mm PKT Co-axial MachineGun is what was mounted on the vehicle. There is usually no difference in a TMG and CMG version of a weapon but TMG ( Turret Machine Gun ) NORMALLY is only used when it's the primary ( slot one ) armament of a vehicle and the CMG ( co-axial ) version of the gun is used when a co-axial machine gun is mounted on the vehicle and normally is used in slots 2 or 3. BMG's ( Bow Machineguns ) are normally used in slot 4 and have restricted range due to their low(er) mounting in the hull of the vehicle and BMG's in slot 4 only fire the direction the hull front faces whereas TMG's and CMG's in slots 1, 2 and 3 fire in the direction the main armament is pointing

That naming convention goes back to the beginnings of Steel Panthers and both TMG's and CMG's could be simply named "MG" but that can get confusing when building units as these are not meant used by the infantry as infantry machineguns are named "MG".

The bottom line is all those units you have mounting the PKT TMG in slots 2 and 3 are technically in error. It's not a serious problem and game play is not affected but in the offical game OOB all those will be CMG

Don

[KraMax]

Hello Don.

Link to source factory the manufacturer:

http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/06/01/

1V13, 1V14, 1V15, 1V16 = SNAR-10 or SNAR-10M

name ACRV - we offer remove from OOB

Best regards

[DRG]

OK, just so I'm clear ( and this isn't very clear at all )

"ACRV" = "MT-LBu " = "SNAR-10"

Three names for the same vehicle ? That link you posted says nothing at all about "SNAR" and anything I can find does not show that the MT-LBu / ACRV and the SNAR are the same thing at all. The MT-LBu / ACRV is a SP arty FO vehicle and the SNAR is a battlefield surveillance radar system. The NATO code names for the two vehicles are entirely different and the sources I've dug up support the idea that these vehicles have two different purposes. I've already changed the name from ACRV to MT-LBu

Don

[KraMax]

MT-LBu = the chassis name
To name so all these units will be wrong.
For FO units I suggest to use original names of the Russian army.

p.s. though names 1V13 etc... also I will be correct.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by KraMax

MT-LBu = the chassis name
To name so all these units will be wrong.
For FO units I suggest to use original names of the Russian army.

p.s. though names 1V13 etc... also I will be correct.

All we are doing is going around in circles here. "use original names of the Russian army" and what would that be you think ? SNAR ?? I don't think so . The two vehicles have different uses and equipment from the one now named ACRV

Don

[KraMax]

You have the right to name the weapon and units - as it will want to you. Same your game.
Nevertheless in the name of the weapon of a grenade or a pistol, you do not write the exact name of this weapon (for example Glock-17 or grenade F-1)

[gila]

I really have no idea what either of you are talking about
But interesting nonetheless,

[DRG]

Please explain how a little story about Glock-17 or grenade F-1 answers my question ??

The "SNAR" and the vehicle formerly named "ACRV" are not the same vehicle nor do they have the same use on the battlefield and the NATO codenames for both are entierly different

From the Net.


The first quotes is from Janes and the second from globalsecurity. The SNAR 10 is not the same vehicle as the "ACRV" . The closest I can see is the "ACRV" would be properly known as the 1V12

Title
SNAR-10 surveillance radar (Russian Federation)

Type
K-band (20 to 40 GHz) battlefield surveillance radar. NATO reporting name
Big Fred.

Description
SNAR-10 is a widely deployed battlefield surveillance radar system, mounted
on a self-propelled, armoured vehicle. It is designed to locate stationary
and moving targets at the forward edge of the battle area.The radar operates
at a frequency of about 35 GHz and is capable of scanning the terrain in
both a horizontal and vertical mode. This is done by tipping the antenna,
thereby overseeing a large area. The dipping antenna is designated as the
IRL-127-1.The radar is a 2-D pulse-Doppler equipment, with the complete
system, except the power supply, being installed inside the turret of the
vehicle. At the rear of the turret is the rectangular reflector of the
antenna system which is almost as wide as the vehicle. On the move the
reflector is folded forward on top of the turret and can be covered by a
hood. For surveillance work the reflector is erected electromechanically.
The narrow radar beam (0.36º wide and 1.3º high) is continuously revolving
in a sector of ±13.2º. It can also transmit without scanning a particular
sector. In this case the beam sits in the middle of the reflector.The radar
works as either a pulse radar or a Doppler radar, the operator making the
selection. In the pulse mode it is impossible to distinguish between
stationary and moving targets. To detect moving objects, especially beyond
the forward line of troops, the Doppler mode is required. If the entire
battlefield is to be searched for targets the sector-search mode is used.
The revolving radar beam

1V12 ACRV. 1V12 is the overall designation of four armored command
reconnaissance vehicles: 1V13 (Figure 2-1), 1V14, 1V15, and 1V16. All four
use the MT-LB chassis.

a. Variants.

(1) ACRV 1V13. The 1V13 has a 12.7-mm DShK anti-aircraft machine gun mounted
atop the turret and a rectangular box projecting from the hull just below
the turret. The ACRV 1V13 remains in the battery firing position as the
battery fire direction center (FDC) relaying firing data to the SP
howitzers.

(2) ACRV 1V14/1V15. The turrets on these two versions are fitted with a
laser rangefinder, optical observation devices and associated fire-control
equipment. They also have a rectangular box projecting from the hull just
below the turret. The ACRV 1V14 and 1V15 serve as battery and battalion
commanders' COPs, respectively, and do not remain in the firing position.

(3) ACRV 1V16. The 1V16 may be fitted with a 12.7-mm machine gun while
eliminating the rectangular box that projects from the hull just below the
turret on the other three versions. The ACRV 1V16 functions as the battalion
FDC.