A couple of questions - Page 2

cohenfr · #11 February 16th, 2009, 10:47 AM

Cool. Thank you

Lingchih · #12 February 16th, 2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thejeff

I'm now envisioning a rain of flaming toads.

Flaming Toad Rain! Brilliant. I'll make a mod for it now.

cohenfr · #13 February 18th, 2009, 11:17 AM

Hi

Few more questions for you,

Let's imagine that I'm playing EA Mictlan. Fighting abyssia, I try to build SCs. I've tried Arch devils (AD) and Ice devils (ID), but I have problems to equip them properly. Let's imagine I have researched construction 6, and have as many gems as I want, and that I have mages with all magic paths.

I usually give my devils this kind of stuff : chain mail of displacement or robe of shadow, boots of quickness (AD)/boots of fly (ID), lucky coin, fire helmet (ID)/spirit helmet (AD) or Horror Helmet (AD), ring of regeneration / amulet of resilience / amulette of antimagic (since blindness hurts a lot...). I usually use fire/frost brands, sometimes faithful.

But with this stuff, they are not as effective as I want them to be. Is there a problem with the items I use? Or is there a perfect combinaison of items which makes these demons deadly?

I've searched the forum but I have not found answers to these specific questions.

Thank you, and sorry for my bad english.

Agema · #14 February 18th, 2009, 11:40 AM

You want to read Baalz's guide for a good intro:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41970

Thugs should be able to wipe out PD and small, mageless armies on their own or otherwise used several at a time against major opposition. SCs should be able to take on big armies alone. The archdevil might be borderline thug-SC territory, but an Ice Devil is certainly just a thug. Don't expect either to be massively effective.

Why aren't they as useful as you expect? Are they dying? Not killing enough troops?

vfb · #15 February 18th, 2009, 11:57 AM

EA Mictlan has turkeys to fly in with your devils and cast Body Eth and Luck on them, so Eth/Luck items can be skipped.

Ice Devils have Cold Power which sucks in hot provinces, so cast Wolven Winter first if you need to use them.

Arch Devils (buff with Phoenix Pyre):
Frost Brand
Vine Shield
Starshine Cap (for MR)
Jade Armor (might be hard for you to forge this)
Messenger Boots
Regen Ring
Antimagic Ammy

Ice Devils (buff with Personal Quickness, Breath of Winter)
Frost Brand
Vine Shield
Dragon Helm
Fire Plate
Winged Shoes
Regen Ring
Reinvig Ammy

Of course, make adjustments for the individual characteristics of the devils (FR etc.)

cohenfr · #16 February 18th, 2009, 01:09 PM

Thank you!

@Agema : Yes they take too much damage. But it's better now as I'm using them as thugs instead of SCs.

@vfb : thank you, I'll try this. And these devils would be more thugs or SCs?

cohenfr · #17 February 18th, 2009, 02:03 PM

You seem to be on a roll, so I have another question

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Does the siege bonus (for example of a siege golem or from items) is useful for defending castles?

lch · #18 February 18th, 2009, 03:25 PM

No. There is a separate defense bonus. LA Ulm has troops with it.

Ironhawk · #19 February 18th, 2009, 03:42 PM

EDIT: So, I already got complaints about my suggestion of Fire Shield since the enemy listed is Aby. Yes, I did realize that. However the OP mentions the use of Fire Brands. My assumption is that he is not fighting solely Aby nationals...

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Originally Posted by cohenfr

Thank you!

@Agema : Yes they take too much damage. But it's better now as I'm using them as thugs instead of SCs.

@vfb : thank you, I'll try this. And these devils would be more thugs or SCs?

The unique devils should not be used as thugs, they are too good/expensive. Maybe Ice Devils, but not Arch Devils certainly. Thugging is for things like Bane Lords who are cheap and have no magic.

If you are having problems with survivability, the things you want to focus on are Luck and Protection. I'm amazed that Fire Shield was not mentioned already but you should cast that and it will boost your damage output way up and remove the need for quickness. What specifically are you having problems with?

JimMorrison · #20 February 18th, 2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhawk

EDIT: So, I already got complaints about my suggestion of Fire Shield since the enemy listed is Aby. Yes, I did realize that. However the OP mentions the use of Fire Brands. My assumption is that he is not fighting solely Aby nationals...

Well against Abysia, #1 priority will be 100% Fire Resist, so you want -some- combination of those items or you're dead meat, that's for sure.

There is a huge tradeoff here though. Arch Devils will be far safer in combat against Abysians, but they don't have many avenues to actually do damage, other than their direct attacks.

Switching to Ice Devils, you will have a hard time getting enough FR, and still having the gear you want otherwise. However, if you can build them out with a Rime Hauberk, and casting Breath of Winter, you can really wreak a lot of havoc on the enemy lines. But it's very true, in such a case you will want Nahualli escorting them, laying down Astral buffs on them to enhance your gearing options. Also, you'll probably want them at least operating in pairs - it will dramatically increase survivability - unless you are just raiding PD or mopping up smaller forces with them, and can risk them solo.

Another nice thing about building Fire Resistant Ice Devils, is that you can attach 10 or more Frost Fiends to them, and your Devil is immune to their ranged attack, but it can be devastating to enemies, especially Abysians.