noob: how to get troops underwater - Page 2

Quitti · #1 February 15th, 2009, 04:21 PM

Niefel Giants/Jarls are size 5, other jotun giants size 4, so 20 humans -> 8 niefel giants/jarls or 10 "normal" jotuns.

vfb · #2 February 15th, 2009, 06:21 PM

You can also hire or summon some water mages to bring your troops underwater. Sea King's court gives you a W3 mage, a bunch of aquatic trolls, and the Sea King can bring more units underwater without having to make breathing items. This post lists the number of human-sized units the water mages can bring underwater:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...0&postcount=25

NTJedi · #3 February 15th, 2009, 09:26 PM

You might need to explore the recruitable independents along the shore as a few places might provide special amphibian types for purchase... thus no need for magic.
This is usually the easiest and fastest way to move into the water provinces.

On a side note the Independent Land AIs are terrible about attacking water provinces which provides the human player a huge advantage. If playing against AIs you'll eventually stop playing with water provinces because the human player has such a strong advantage.

Panpiper · #4 February 16th, 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NTJedi

On a side note the Independent Land AIs are terrible about attacking water provinces which provides the human player a huge advantage. If playing against AIs you'll eventually stop playing with water provinces because the human player has such a strong advantage.

I like having delimiting 'terrain' on my maps which water provides for. I do not however like the problems water provinces have with the AI. My solution is that I use the 'Deadly Seas' mod. This effectively rules out going into the water, period. Water becomes simply the edge of the map and the game is played on land.

Agema · #5 February 17th, 2009, 05:53 AM

Also, be warned units that are not amphibious will take sizeable combat negatives underwater when (if) you get them there: -3Att -3Def as I recall, and an AP penalty so they'll be pretty slow. Plan your army accordingly, as you'll need a stronger army than to take out roughly equivalent land forces.

Make sure - in MP at least - that if attacking someone else you have adequate defences (good MR, guarding troops, chaff leaders) for your commander as well. If they are killed they take their waterbreathing item with them and your troops will drown.

Dedas · #6 February 17th, 2009, 01:57 PM

Talk about putting your life in the hand of your commander - literally.

JimMorrison · #7 February 17th, 2009, 02:12 PM

"Alright, listen up, maggots! You see these pills? They will let you breathe underwater for 24 hours. Take your pill NOW, I'll give you another one tomorrow - I promise."

Darkwind · #8 February 17th, 2009, 04:26 PM

I think I'd like the Sea King's Goblet better. Drink from a king's cup every day, and get to hang with mermaids as a bonus (though you might get stuck with an icky Ichtyid).

thejeff · #9 February 17th, 2009, 04:35 PM

How about Barrel of Air? 75 people lined up to get gulps of air from one barrel?

Maybe they have hoses...

Darkwind · #10 February 17th, 2009, 04:47 PM

That brings up another question: why do nature levels bring supplies? How does that single mage feed people? Milk?

I wouldn't want yucky old man milk. Would you?