CBM Pretenders

[llamabeast]

I found the Celestial General to be great with Jomon for producing early arrow catchers.

[Trumanator]

Well it can make diplomacy harder for C'tis, if you take a high dominion to maximize the income bonus, and it severely hinders your ability to diversify your magic.

[Jazzepi]

I disagree.

You can take a E4D5 awake PoD with great scales. With that you have full access to S/D/E/W/N which is pretty damn good. You can even get air if you summon into a faerie queen. Sure she gets diseased, but throw a ring of regen on her to keep her around.

Jazzepi

[JimMorrison]

I'm not going to argue that there aren't downsides. Just saying that someone with no real experience in the game, and no plan to win a war, can effectively ruin almost anyone's chances of victory, just by dragging them into a war. They force you to invade them, and your forces succumb to disease in just a couple of months. Basically everything you send is going to die, so if they have any real fight in them at all, you're going to have to sacrifice things that are irreplaceable, perhaps thugs and high level mages that you would absolutely not expect to lose ordinarily, if you were winning the war.

It's a bit off topic, but meh.

I like the auto-summoning pretenders, though I think the Mother of Monsters could maybe use a higher spawn rate, and maybe the Lord/Lady of Serpents could be toned down slightly.

[iceboy]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

I'm not going to argue that there aren't downsides. Just saying that someone with no real experience in the game, and no plan to win a war, can effectively ruin almost anyone's chances of victory, just by dragging them into a war. They force you to invade them, and your forces succumb to disease in just a couple of months. Basically everything you send is going to die, so if they have any real fight in them at all, you're going to have to sacrifice things that are irreplaceable, perhaps thugs and high level mages that you would absolutely not expect to lose ordinarily, if you were winning the war.

It's a bit off topic, but meh.

I like the auto-summoning pretenders, though I think the Mother of Monsters could maybe use a higher spawn rate, and maybe the Lord/Lady of Serpents could be toned down slightly.

Agreed Lord/Lady of Serpents can be very powerful as well. Along with recruitables you can quickly have a large ustoppable serpent army!!!

[vfb]

I'm sure you know this already Jim. but you can use undead or demons or inanimates, they don't get affected by disease.

And in a game I played with Cleveland, somehow he managed to sneak Wardens into every single province I owned without too many of them getting diseased -- talk to him!

C'tis PD is teh suck, they get a pile of weak morale 7 militia (8 in C'tis dominion) that die easily, causing the not-as-terrible City Guard to rout. You can Send Lesser Horror, Arouse Hunger, Horde from Hell, etc, maybe even Call of Winds, to take his PD-only provinces.

Depends on the nation you are playing, but usually there's an answer.

[cleveland]

Originally Posted by vfb

And in a game I played with Cleveland, somehow he managed to sneak Wardens into every single province I owned without too many of them getting diseased -- talk to him!

A combination of luck and stupidity.

[Trumanator]

Well my LotG finally did get disease, so scratch him off the list of those who are safe. It seems though that it could be interesting to go with him or any other non-immune chassis and make a beeline for GOH. Definitely for those who like to live dangerously though.

What does make a pretender "disease immune" though? Is it swamp survival? I know undead are effectively, if not technically immune to disease, but what exactly is the criteria?

[vfb]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

Well my LotG finally did get disease, so scratch him off the list of those who are safe. It seems though that it could be interesting to go with him or any other non-immune chassis and make a beeline for GOH. Definitely for those who like to live dangerously though.

What does make a pretender "disease immune" though? Is it swamp survival? I know undead are effectively, if not technically immune to disease, but what exactly is the criteria?

Either of "cold blooded" or "swamp survival" is sufficient to avoid miasma disease.

Any of "lifeless", "undead" or "demon" is sufficient to avoid additional afflictions or HP loss from being diseased.

Immortal units or units with recuperation will also have a chance to automatically heal the disease affliction.

[archaeolept]

which gives c'tis a choice of 17 immune chassis, at least in CBM; 18 w/ the phoenix.