Anomaly reports

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Unit Class 33 – Light Amphibian

Russia 185, Hungary 235 and Bulgaria 251 have 24, Red 240 has 14, all other ZiS/Zil-485s have Speed 20. The same culprits have Swim Speed 5 (All others have 3), Survivability 0 (Others have 4), Lift Capacity 25 (Others have 125). NB Cambodia 561 in Class 34 has the same anomalies.

This vehicle had an Army designation BAV, and it should be added to the name. Better name in my opinion is just ZiS-485 BAV (or final designation ZiL-485 BAV), without artificial "ZiS/Zil". Anyway, correct picture is 29202 or probably 53502 (current is DUKW). Lift Capacity should be 125, since it had a rear ramp (unlike DUKW). Real speed was 65 km/h (22) an 10 km/h on water (3-4).

Originally Posted by Richard_H

K61 – Indonesia 50 has Crew 2, all others 3, and has different armour stats from all others (IIRC it’s actually unarmoured, but that may make it too vulnerable?). Croatia 541 & Indonesia 50 have Lift Capacity 250, others 150.

Original name is written in Russian sources "K-61". It wasn't armoured at all (especially Indonesian one would sink with such armour, and sure wouldn't be able to carry anything). Speed was only 36 km/h (12, now: 18), and on water - 10 km/h. It could carry in fact 40 soldiers or a gun or a truck (capacity up to 5 ton on water, less on land). Crew should be 2 (I've even climbed upon one in a museum this summer and took a photo of two crew seats...)

By the way, speed of PTS-M was only 42 km/h and 10 km/h on water - in the game it is faster. Capacity 10 ton on water, on land - half.

Regards,
Michal

[Richard_H]

LVT(A) 4 – Land speed ranges from 13 to 15. I believe 13 is correct so this affects France 436 (which also has Swim Speed 5, all others 4), USA 179, USMC 179 and Indonesia 49. Again, USA 179 has Lift Capacity 0, all others 13.
FC ranges from 0 to 2. As LVT(A) 1 has FC 2, suggest same applies to this model. Affects France 436, USA 179 & Australia 271, and same comments apply to Rangefinder – see above.
USMC 179 and Indonesia 49 have Weapon 1 Ammo 100, others (France, USA, Australia) 60. I believe 100 is correct. Same countries have different armour stats from the other 3.

LVTH-6 – USA 176 has Rangefinder 2, USMC 176 has 3.

Type 60 – China 472 has Rangefinder 1, NVA 3 has 2.

Type 63 – NVA 4 has Speed/Swim Speed 23/5, others have 22/4.
N.Korea 4 has Survivability 4, all others 3.
China 473 has RoF 6, all others 7.
Albania 3 and Zimbabwe 205 have RF 5, others 2.
NVA 4 and Albania 3 have 47 main gun rounds, others (China, N.Korea, Zimbabwe) have 45.
NVA 4 has different armour stats from all others.

PT-76B – E.Germany 3 has Stabiliser 0, all others 2.

PT-76 – Finland 3 has Carry Capacity 9, all others 6.
China 471 has Rangefinder 1, all others 5.
China 471 & N.Korea 2 have HEAT Turret armour 6/2/2/1, all others have 6/3/3/2.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 169 – Ski SMG

Yugoslavia 62/63/64 and Croatia 55 are actually MMG teams. Suggest moving to Class 254 (Machinegun Team), which is not currently used by either oob.


Class 163 – Heavy Ski Troops

Switzerland 676-683 have Speed 7, all others have 6.
Sweden 92 & 93 have Load Cost 1, all others 0.
Yugoslavia 443 & 444 and Croatia 443 & 444 are SAM teams. I can see why it’s been done but these are the only oobs to make the distinction between Alpine & ‘ordinary’ infantry SAM teams. It’s not even as if they fit into an ‘Alpine Company’ formation, they are both stand-alones.


Class 162 – Ski Troops

Switzerland 666-672, speed as Class 163.

Richard H

[DRG]

I don't have time ATM to go through every one of these but they have been noted down and if I feel the need to comment I will sometime in the future but there will ALWAYS be variations in things like carry capacity to accommodate different nations unit set ups. It's simpler to increase a carry capacity by a couple of points than it is to tear apart units and formations to fit some "standard" carry capacity of a truck or a LVT or whatever. In real life issues like squad size vers a vehicles carry capacity can be dealt with by breaking up the squad but that cannot be done in the game so sometimes it is expeditious to fudge the numbers a bit to make the game work smoothly

[Richard_H]

Don

Quite understand the issue of fudging carry capacity. This is also why I haven't made any mention of differences in Radio%, Ammo loadouts or different weapons (unless they look really incongruous.

I can leave the issue of Lift Capacity alone if you'd prefer. After all, I used to think 13 tank riders was rather OTT until I saw the attached It has its title because I vowed that never again would I question tank riders!

One of the reasons I started this little exercise now was because I took note of your remark about looking at the oobs 'in a few weeks time'. So long as you're happy for me to keep churning stuff out in the interim . . . . (I must have worked through at least 30 classes out of the 250-odd so far, so I can't see a finish line before Christmas. Plus I'm going away for a couple of weeks, then packing up to move house, etc etc)

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 35 – Amphibian Tank

LVT(A) 1 – USA 177 has Lift Capacity 0, others have 13. Same unit has Rangefinder 2, others have 3.


Richard H

[Richard_H]

Rather than leave Lift Capacity entirely alone (it was a timely intervention as I've just been doing the 'Trucks and Transport' section), I've left it in either where the difference would mean an increase in capacity for the unit in question, or where I have checked against all relevant formations that they will not be affected (stand-alone prime movers etc).

Class 183 – Light Truck

Rhodesia 52 is armoured, all others unarmoured. It also has FC 1 (all others 0).
Switzerland 611, Albania 329 and Rhodesia 52 are armed, all others are not.
Saudi Arabia 252 is Size 4, all others 2 or 3.
Albania 329 has Crew 4, UK 287 & Rhodesia 52 have 3, all others 2.


Class 180 – Artillery Prime Mover

BTR-50PK - Egypt 581 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 118.

Komsolets - Poland 542, Russia 552, Czech 542, Hungary 542 – small point, but could the name be changed to ‘Komsomolets’ please? Czech 542 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 115.

Morris Quad - UK 570 has Survivability 2, others have 4.

MT-LB.
Poland 63, Iraq 541, E.Germany 591, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546 and Tanzania 551 have Crew 4, others have 2. I believe 2 is correct.

Russia 551, Iraq 541, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546, Ukraine 551 and Tanzania 551 have no Swim Speed, others have 2.

Russia 551 has Survivability 4, all others 3.

Of the armed versions, Hungary 63 and Bulgaria 586 have Rangefinder 1, others have 3.

“Prime Mover” – Finland 339 has Size 3, all others 4. Finland 339 and Ukraine 550 have Crew 2, all others 4.
Not getting into other differences, because they can always represent national variations. However Survivability 4 (Finland 339) strikes me as a bit high when others have 0 or 1. Finland is also the only one to have Load Cost 10 (others 12).
Ukraine 550 has Lift Capacity 115, which strikes me as low compared to all others (124-126).

“Truck” – All Size 3 except Poland 543 and N.Yemen 545, which are 4.
All Crew 2 except Algeria 590 (3) and N.Yemen 545 (4).
All Speed 18 except N.Yemen 545 (16).
All Survivability 0 except N.Yemen 545 (1).
All Lift Capacity 118 except N.Yemen 545 (130).
All Load Cost 12 except Algeria 590 (10).

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 167 – Snow Vehicle

Mechanical Mule – Turkey 199 has Lift Capacity 110, others 114.

Bv.202 – Finland 40 & Sweden 63 have Size 2 and Speed 13, Norway 58 & 60 have 4 and 16.
UK 296 appears to be a hybrid unit, but with more characteristics of the Bv.206.
Sweden 63 & 65 have Weight 11, all others 10.

Bv.206 – Norway 59 & W.Germany 382 have Size 4, others 3.
Sweden 64 & W.Germany 382 have Speed 17, others 16.
UK 296 & Canada 220 have Swim Speed 1, others 2.
Lift Capacity varies from 112 to 117. I believe that, with 2 crew, the correct figure is 114. Those with less than 114 are:- UK 296, Canada 220.
UK 296 & Canada 220 have Weight 10, Finland 42 has 14 (maybe because it’s armed?), all others 12.


Class 138 – Heavy Transport

I know these are only meant to be for scenario designers, but:-
Egypt 577, Poland 548, Syria 498, Israel 607, Japan 487, France 621, UK 572, Jordan 582, Iran 517, Russia 990, USA 977, USMC 997, China 601, Australia 611, Gulf 599, Iraq 542, India 553, N.Korea 910, S.Korea 341, Taiwan 500, NVA 381, Pakistan 287, Belgium 360, Netherlands 360, Norway 393, Canada 540, Greece 400, Turkey 198, Spain 360, Italy 234, Denmark 360, Czech 544, Hungary 544, Romania 451, Libya 597, Yugoslavia 608, Green 419, Red 445, W.Germany 506, Argentina 648, S.Africa 573, Switzerland 275, Saudi Arabia 597, Finland 343, Sweden 360, Sudan 605, UN 291 and Somalia 298 all have Speed 0. Others have 9.
Turkey 198 is Move Class 3, all others 2. It also has Lift Capacity 250, others have 255.
Jordan 582 & N.Korea 910 have Weight 15, all others 28.

Richard H

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Class 180 – Artillery Prime Mover

BTR-50PK - Egypt 581 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 118.

In fact, all carried 20 soldiers - the same for BTR-50 as APC.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Komsolets - Poland 542, Russia 552, Czech 542, Hungary 542 – small point, but could the name be changed to ‘Komsomolets’ please? Czech 542 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 115.

This unit needs reworking. Komsomolets was a small pre-WW2 armoured tractor with capacity of 106 (max 107, including a commander) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomo...rmored_tractor . Few survived the war and were very unlikely exported. An exception was Finnish army, which carefully maintained their captured Komsomolets' until 1961 (BTW, Finland hasn't one in the game and it's worth to add one; but size should be 3).

In all other countries including Russia they should be replaced with something else, for example Ya-12 tractor (in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia spelled Ja-12) - http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/17698, especially, that data don't fit to Komsomolets. We even have a picture of Ya-12 - 29395. Data could be similar, but speed was up to 38 km/h (12-13)
Hungary and Czechoslovakia used also several types of ex-German SdKfz tractors.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

MT-LB.
Poland 63, Iraq 541, E.Germany 591, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546 and Tanzania 551 have Crew 4, others have 2. I believe 2 is correct.

Russia 551, Iraq 541, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546, Ukraine 551 and Tanzania 551 have no Swim Speed, others have 2.

Right, it should have crew of 2 and be able to swim 6 km/h. On the other hand, it carried only 11 soldiers (in Russian OOB it has 112, I don't know how with others).

Michal

[DRG]

I went though all of this three years ago with the Russians from SP Russia who produced an almost endless list of corrections for the Russian OOB . The APC BTR-50's are already 120 BUT....BRT-50PK's that have overhead armor cover and are 114. It's on the list to check the carry capacity of other nations BTR-50's this release and any that deviate from the Russian OOB norm will be corrected.

Don