Does Temple Boost Holy for Call God? - Page 2

shatner · #1 November 8th, 2011, 05:26 PM

The temple boost to prayer is especially important if you are playing with a low Dom and either have very favorable scales or are being threatened by harmful enemy dominion. Your temples will only generate candles based on your dom but priests generate candles from praying based solely on their ranks in holy. This means that an H2 priest praying with a temple generates candles at the same efficacy as a dom-9 temple... which is much more effective than your dom-4 or dom-5 temples are doing.

JonBrave · #2 November 8th, 2011, 06:47 PM

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... This means that an H2 priest praying with a temple generates candles at the same efficacy as a dom-9 temple... which is much more effective than your dom-4 or dom-5 temples are doing.

I (think I) got it up till there, then I lose you

Why is the priest as effective as a dom-9 temple?

TigerBlood · #3 November 8th, 2011, 07:20 PM

page 92 of the manual covers the basics of preaching, temple checks and dominions spread if you want to look into it further. There are some inaccuracies in the book regarding the 'flow' of dominion from one province to another, but it spells out the effects of holy levels and preaching, as well as the influence of temples.

Some of the guides and testing results for blood sacrifice may also be useful reading if you want to learn more about dominion spread.

JonBrave · #4 November 8th, 2011, 07:23 PM

1. OK, so the poster was wrong when he said priests only boost in friendly, good.

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>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

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>>Of course, a priest can only generate candles in the province they are praying in, whereas the candles from temples, prophets and pretenders can (and often do) "flow" into adjacent provinces.

Yes, I understand your clarification. I was thinking of the dom-9 flowing.

shatner · #5 November 8th, 2011, 07:27 PM

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>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

No, the +1 bonus is to the priest's effective holy level while praying and since the maximum dom a priest's prayer can raise a province to is 2x(holy level), the +1 is multiplied by the 2x as well. In other words, for the purposes of determining prayer success, an H1 priest with a temple is treated identically to an H2 priest without a temple.

JonBrave · #6 November 8th, 2011, 07:36 PM

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>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

No, the +1 bonus is to the priest's effective holy level while praying and since the maximum dom a priest's prayer can raise a province to is 2x(holy level), the +1 is multiplied by the 2x as well. In other words, for the purposes of determining prayer success, an H1 priest with a temple is treated identically to an H2 priest without a temple.

Ummm, pp.94--95 seems to me quite clear on this? Level 2 guy == 2 x 2 + 1 for temple == 5, not 6. So your level #1 guy should be 1 x 2 + 1 == 3?

JonBrave · #7 November 9th, 2011, 06:02 PM

Thank you for above, I agree about "friendly" distinction.

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>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

No, the +1 bonus is to the priest's effective holy level while praying and since the maximum dom a priest's prayer can raise a province to is 2x(holy level), the +1 is multiplied by the 2x as well. In other words, for the purposes of determining prayer success, an H1 priest with a temple is treated identically to an H2 priest without a temple.

Ummm, pp.94--95 seems to me quite clear on this? Level 2 guy == 2 x 2 + 1 for temple == 5, not 6. So your level #1 guy should be 1 x 2 + 1 == 3?

So could someone please clarify above?

I say a H 1 + temple == maximum dominion #3 (or H 2 + temple == 5, as per manual example)
@shatner claims H 1 + temple == max dominion #4 (or H 2 + temple == 6? which is not as per manual?)

(We both agree H 2 no temple == max #4)

shatner · #8 November 12th, 2011, 08:51 PM

I was wrong about the prayer bonus from the temple and JonBrave/the manual were right. It is (2xholy leve) + 1 with a temple. I recently confirmed this in an MP game I'm playing.

TigerBlood · #9 November 8th, 2011, 07:56 PM

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1. OK, so the poster was wrong when he said priests only boost in friendly, good.

I never claimed that you could not preach in enemy provinces.

I said that preaching in a friendly province with a temple had a greater effect. Am I wrong?

Starbelly Geek · #10 November 9th, 2011, 10:36 AM

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1. OK, so the poster was wrong when he said priests only boost in friendly, good.

I never claimed that you could not preach in enemy provinces.

I said that preaching in a friendly province with a temple had a greater effect. Am I wrong?

The confusion was whether by "friendly" you meant "owned by you" or "has your dominion in it."
Temples in provinces owned by you clearly help your preachers regardless of whether the dominion is yours or not. Temples in provinces not owned by you do not, necessarily.