"An army equipped with vintage M-48 tanks ......"

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

I believe the only vehicles the M-48 got was 1 x T-55 and 1 x BRDM-2.

Interesting, in my game most hard targers were taken out by the M-48s or artillery. Bradley TOW knocked out one bunker and a T-55, IIRC.

Progress in the wadi was slow, and a bit risky because of the mines. I never made it to the Iraqi mortar positions, though I targeted them with 155mm HE....

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by wulfir

Interesting, in my game most hard targers were taken out by the M-48s or artillery. Bradley TOW knocked out one bunker and a T-55, IIRC.

Progress in the wadi was slow, and a bit risky because of the mines. I never made it to the Iraqi mortar positions, though I targeted them with 155mm HE....

For the most part my M-48's had like a 15% hit probability displayed when I selected a potential target (due to range, movement, and mostly the Iraqi's being dug-in lick ticks). That BRDM-2 was taken out by just such a low probability shot because it HAD to be at least suppressed, I got lucky. Mostly the M-48's fired (semi-intentional) suppressive fire since they couldn't actually hit anything.

Most of the stuff I got immobilized was when they entered rough terrain as their final stopping place for a given turn, wanted the rough terrain defensive modifier. I long ago learned there (seems) be be at least a 25% probability of being immobilized in rough/swamp terrain, jumping to (apparently) 50% if you add a slope, so I avoid such terrain like the plague it is whenever possible.

I pounded on the trenches with the 155's, as the first 3 turns of Iraqi mortar fire was way off target. Tho in the end ignoring them bit me when they killed my HQ.

And I agree that vs a human opponent that scenario would probably be un-winnable, mostly because they'd be likely to adjust the firing range of their units to wait for a better shot rather then waste ammo firing on sight.

Try "73 Easting" with M-48's and you probably won't get far.

[Suhiir]

If all you did was delete the A-10s see my earlier battle results.
Nor did I use the 155's.

I haven't played the tutorial for years and held back the 155's and A-10's waiting for an off-board Soviet WW II style artillery division to open fire or an on-board mortar regiment or five.
By the time I realized neither was going to happen I was too close to the objective (and end of the scenario) to use either.

[DRG]

......it's not the tutorial. "Feint Attack" is a completely different scenario

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by DRG

......it's not the tutorial. "Feint Attack" is a completely different scenario

Ahhhh !
*downloads*

[DRG]

Still, zero points for the AI is quite an accomplishment and something neither Andy nor I have seen before.



Don

[DRG]

So it would appear the original comment that sparked this experiment was fairly accurate. Third string armour will accomplish what needs to be done against the Iraqis( with a little help....).

I trust though that the second scenario was at least a decent challenge and from the comments it shows that with this game, there is always more than one way to accomplish the mission


Don

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by DRG

So it would appear the original comment that sparked this experiment was fairly accurate. Third string armour will accomplish what needs to be done against the Iraqis( with a little help....).

Probably..., but against a human opponent, not neccessarily. There are some really good, very experienced players out there.

[DRG]

One nice thing about ScenHack is substituting a unit like that is simple.

Don

[wulfir]

Ok, just for laughs - I started a small generated campaign...

US Army vs Iraq,
Feb-March, 1987
10 battles
Starting core of 5000 battle pts.
I will use only computer generated scenarios, no editing of number of turns, VH locations etc (being a bit lazy).

World War III has broken out in Europe. The Western Powers, spearheaded by the USA launch an offensive in the Middle East, one operation is against Iraq having sided with the Eastern Block. Most of the deployed western units are reserve formations, one such unit is the 81st Armoured Brigade (seperate), fielding mostly older equippment it arrives on the battlefield somewhat understrength...


81st Brigade, Washington Army National Guard...

Task Force Whulff:

TF HQ Element
Bn HQ
Forward Observer (leg)
Humwee Section

TF Recon Platoon
Patrol (3 Scout Teams)
Recon Humwee Element (6 Humwees, 3 of them armed with Mk19)

Alpha Company
Tank Company (7 M48A5 Patton tanks)

Bravo Company
Tank Company (7 M48A5 Patton tanks)

TF Support Element
Mortar Battery (4 81mm Mortar sections, 4 trucks)
AT-Platoon (2 TOW Jeeps)
Mech Pioneer Platoon (3 Eng Squads, 3 M113 tracks)
Supply Platoon (2 ammo trucks)
Medical section (1 truck)
MP Platoon (.50 HMG, Sniper, Humwee)


Now let's see what those M-48A5s can do...