im in deep doo doo

[parone]

that was very nice of u bbz. i wish you could send me that armor and ring! (im only at cons 2 and not set up to move quick) thanks for checking it out 4 me. i will definately keep slugging, but, like most pretenders, mine is vital, and losing power in all his paths will make things difficult, not to mention i have almost no priests on the board.

ahh well. like i said, lesson learned.

[bbz]

No problem and good luck.

[Shardphoenix]

Chalice, chalice... Be more creative, guys, seriously. Gift of Health (a global spell) is much easier to get if you have some nature magic. And if not - almost every tribal shaman has at least N1.
I don`t think that pretenders die from disease (AFAIK, they just stop at 1 hp), but i`m not 100% sure about it.
Other variant is casting Twiceborn on your pretender and getting killed (not drowned) in friendly dominion. He will return as undead wight mage with immunity to disease (still can get diseased, but no HP loss or afflictions) - i used this trick in SP to get boots slot on my archmage, so i`m 100% sure that Twiceborn works on gods. You`ll need at least 2D on pretender, or 1D + a skull staff, however.
Casting regeneration on him in combat is another way of keeping him alive for now - in combat, regeneration still restores your health to full.

[parone]

shardphoenix, if i use twiceborn and get killed, does he lose magic paths? loss of magic paths is my biggest concern. thanks for your suggestions...

[brxbrx]

Originally Posted by parone

shardphoenix, if i use twiceborn and get killed, does he lose magic paths? loss of magic paths is my biggest concern. thanks for your suggestions...

No, in fact, there's a chance he'll gain magic power in death. However, getting killed typically leads to a lot of afflictions, so you're risking getting mute, which cuts your magic powers in half, and feeble-mind, which nulls all your paths. And once your pretender is undead, only the Chalice will heal his afflictions.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by brxbrx

No, in fact, there's a chance he'll gain magic power in death. However, getting killed typically leads to a lot of afflictions, so you're risking getting mute, which cuts your magic powers in half, and feeble-mind, which nulls all your paths. And once your pretender is undead, only the Chalice will heal his afflictions.

You ninja! And I didn't know that. Twiceborning is also permanent. Even call god does not return the shape.

It might be good to recall that certain abilities (gem generation, increased dom spread, and unrest decrease etc) are tied to the shape of the commander, these abilities are gone as soon as you transform into a wight mage.

[Shardphoenix]

Originally Posted by parone

shardphoenix, if i use twiceborn and get killed, does he lose magic paths? loss of magic paths is my biggest concern. thanks for your suggestions...

No, he doesn`t.

Originally Posted by brxbrx

However, getting killed typically leads to a lot of afflictions, so you're risking getting mute, which cuts your magic powers in half, and feeble-mind, which nulls all your paths.

Solution is - get killed QUICKLY. Like charging a barbarian horde with 1 hp (just remember to script your pretender to attack, or he will start casting and may even win)

Originally Posted by brxbrx

And once your pretender is undead, only the Chalice will heal his afflictions.

Gift of Health works too. And it`s easier to get than a faerie court, anyway.

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

It might be good to recall that certain abilities (gem generation, increased dom spread, and unrest decrease etc) are tied to the shape of the commander, these abilities are gone as soon as you transform into a wight mage.

Yes, and you get lesser MR. But in exchange you get 21 base hp (much better than most rainbows), all undead immunities (cold, poison, starvation) and chill aura. And you keep those precious magic paths!

Originally Posted by brxbrx

Alternately, depending on your paths it's highly possible to get them back with a simple Ring of Wizardry or a Staff of the Elements.

He may need them to FORGE those items, you know. If a player says his paths are so important - maybe he knows better?

[Soyweiser]

Parone, you can test that in a test game you know .

[Soyweiser]

I was testing twiceborn. And I got this message: "The death of Horatia has greatly increased his understanding of death"

WTF twiceborn can give death levels. (Another wtf, the message always is for a male, even if the mage is female).

I have put my findings into : http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki?title=Twiceborn

[bbz]

Thanks for taking care of the wiki, its the best source for finding out interesting stuff about the game(par talking to experts on irc I guess).