Vehicles & Trees - Page 2

DRG · #1 November 2nd, 2013, 08:53 AM

I'll start off by stating the obvious. 3 minutes with the map editor and your question is answered.

YES you can put swamp under trees..........and/or rough terrain.........and/or impassible terrain......and/or mud.

The only one you can't is water

Don

Firestorm · #2 January 11th, 2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DRG

I'll start off by stating the obvious. 3 minutes with the map editor and your question is answered.

YES you can put swamp under trees..........and/or rough terrain.........and/or impassible terrain......and/or mud.

The only one you can't is water

Don

You can't put hedgerows under trees.

(That was a rhetorical question, Don. I did check)

...I guess you could build a whole forest of hedgerows and use it to represent almost-impassible woodlands. I've never done that before, though I have used them to represent kudzu.

DRG · #3 January 11th, 2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestorm

You can't put hedgerows under trees.

Really ?? What's this then ?

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Originally Posted by Firestorm

(That was a rhetorical question, Don. I did check)

MAYBE check again ? Because that's a hedgerow under trees

wulfir · #4 January 11th, 2014, 05:34 PM

If you want the player to have a hard time crossing woods do this:

1. Create slopes.
2. Cover the slopes with rough terrain.
3. Put wood tiles on top.
4. Profit.

It will take the player a long time traversing the wooded area and he will risk getting stuck on the rough slopes.

RightDeve · #5 January 17th, 2014, 08:50 AM

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I don't know if there's even the slightest chance of vehicles bogging down on normal treed hexes, but they sure have movement points reduced when traversing this type of terrain (even more so on the current patch IIRC).

But if you want to take the realism to the next level, apply rough terrain layer below forested hexes. Infantry will have a hard time slogging this harsh entanglements, and vehicles will be even more likely to bog down (esp. on sloped rough terrain). This is perfect for simulating New Guinean jungles for example.

If you want no vehicles crisscrossing the wood, then use impassable hex.

Wulfir comment above is correct
Putting rough under flat woods will NOT cause breakdowns when moving through them as you cant move fast enough to trigger it.
It could as you enter the woods if do so at high just like normal rough.

Yeah, I'm always aware of that fact (red-text there)

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Originally Posted by DRG

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Originally Posted by Firestorm

You can't put hedgerows under trees.

Really ?? What's this then ?

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Originally Posted by Firestorm

(That was a rhetorical question, Don. I did check)

MAYBE check again ? Because that's a hedgerow under trees

Now, this is a revelation. A wonderful thing to replace "rough", and more potent against tracks, wheels, and legs alike. Also a wonderful provider of cover & concealment. Much easier to set up, compared to using slopes -> rough -> wood. Besides, in reality, hedgerows is exactly that kind of entanglement that bogs down vehicles.

I have always been aware of the fact that we can put trees on hedges, but never thought about this possibility.

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Careful driving,

Even worse is to get stuck in soft sand in No.Africa or the bogs in the Aluetions oops!

Buy a Dozer or Sherman dozer(hedgerow equiped) for the hedgerows but don't crash into them,instead move to adjecent hex to clear next turn.

I thought I must be missing a real important feature all this time...
Tried it myself and dozers (engineer tanks) won't clear hedgerows, even after 10 turns using 4 vehicles.

Griefbringer · #6 November 2nd, 2013, 05:12 PM

I am quite sure that I have managed to get my vehicle stuck in a swampy tree hex at least once. Should remember to check more closely what those hexes contain before driving in...

Andrew.Hope · #7 January 14th, 2014, 06:52 PM

It doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with a few scenarios where risking driving through a building is a better option than driving around it. You're just always going to feel dumb when you immobolise yourself.

DRG · #8 January 15th, 2014, 12:27 AM

Yah rolls the dice and takes yer chances

gila · #9 January 17th, 2014, 03:28 AM

Careful driving,

Even worse is to get stuck in soft sand in No.Africa or the bogs in the Aluetions oops!

Buy a Dozer or Sherman dozer(hedgerow equiped) for the hedgerows but don't crash into them,instead move to adjecent hex to clear next turn.

Mobhack · #10 January 17th, 2014, 12:41 PM

Dozers don't clear hedgerows - they aren't engineer stores like mines and D/T. Hedgerows are terrain.