Momentum 2 - Finished - Psycho/Pan wins! - Page 25

Psycho · #**241** November 22nd, 2009, 12:26 PM

The new Mictlan administration broke the treaty they had with Pangaea. For this they will be punished.

Val, would you give me peace, so I can continue where I stopped 5 turns ago? I know it might be much to ask, but in a way it can be seen as I was double-crossed and set back 5 turns. You would be a great sport.

Valerius · #**242** November 22nd, 2009, 01:48 PM

I'm afraid I can't do that. I wouldn't feel right sticking Mictlan with the war after us making peace gave me a fighting chance. And if you did beat him I'd only have to fight you then - but you'd have 50% more gem income than me and almost equal gold income (even with me having GoNB). Sorry, but I think this is my best chance to beat you - and I by no means think that's a certain thing since I've seen you beat worse odds before. Looking at the graphs, the only advantage I have over you is gold income; so it's like a sporting event where the lesser player gets an advantage to give them a chance against the better player.

Psycho · #**243** November 22nd, 2009, 02:45 PM

Heh, you are stronger than us combined, but I understand. I had to try.

Bah, if only this game somehow rolled five turns back.

Well, I certainly won't give up. I know I don't have any chances now, but I am going to give you a good fight.

Hey, Eriu, would you come to my aid? You can answer by PM if you prefer.

SciencePro · #**244** November 22nd, 2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho

The new Mictlan administration broke the treaty they had with Pangaea. For this they will be punished.

Do not believe the lies of the horny goat-men!

They are known practitioners of the abominations of blood hunting, human sacrifice, and blood magic! And God knows every deviant sexual abomination ever dreamed of. They are inventing new sexual abominations as we speak!

Fellow Humans (and Lizards and Sidhes), the time has come to end the frolicking of this large-penis'd adversary. If Pangea rules the land then some of our women will be sacrificed and the rest will be thrown to the horny goat-men. Even the lizard-girls will be nothing but playthings in an orgy of goat-sex. Lock up your daughters, sisters and mothers and grab your axe. It's time for war!

Valerius · #**245** November 22nd, 2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Heh, you are stronger than us combined, but I understand. I had to try.

Bah, if only this game somehow rolled five turns back.

Well, I certainly won't give up. I know I don't have any chances now, but I am going to give you a good fight.

I know I'm not stronger than the two of you combined ... but I'm definitely not going to give any hints as to my weak areas.

I know you won't give up and I think there's a decent chance we'll end up stalemating, like you and Mictlan did. All I know is I've got to keep my dominion strong so that VQ of yours and all your vampires don't have free rein to attack my territories.

Psycho · #**246** November 22nd, 2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Valerius

I know you won't give up and I think there's a decent chance we'll end up stalemating, like you and Mictlan did. All I know is I've got to keep my dominion strong so that VQ of yours and all your vampires don't have free rein to attack my territories.

Yep, dominion is your way to go. You've got quite a few vampires of your own, as well.

BTW, I know this turn has been prolonged a lot, but I didn't even start doing it, waiting for diplomatic situation to crystallize. I'll try to finish it tonight, but if I don't manage, it would be nice to get about 4 hours delay.

Valerius · #**247** November 22nd, 2009, 07:23 PM

I'm in the same situation as you. Once the llamaserver is back to normal I'll put through the delay. Apologies to yandav and Psi for the delays while all this has occurred.

Valerius · #**248** November 22nd, 2009, 10:38 PM

Just so everyone is on the same page... Van and Pan are obviously currently at war. Van and Mictlan are now at peace. Are Mictlan and Pan at war immediately? Are they dissolving their NAP (which I assume they have) and will be at war soon? Just want to find out where everyone stands.

SciencePro · #**249** November 23rd, 2009, 01:00 AM

Well I wasn't planning to attack anyone at the moment. But I figured when Psycho started saying I was going to be punished and that he wants help from the other two nations that he was planning to attack me. If I misunderstood then fine I don't mind staying neutral for the time being.

Anyway I was hoping we wouldn't have to hash all this out on the forum but it's inevitable now. Pyscho has sent me about a dozen PM’s in the last few days. In the first few he just started ordering me around. Then, when I tell him I plan to stay neutral for the time being he suddenly starts to claim that I have inherited a promise to “continue attacking vanheim until they are defeated.” He starts talking about how he gave up a castle and all these provinces in order to secure this promise.

I’m skeptical of what he is saying for a couple reasons:
1) AoE’s forum post that stated he was browbeat into making peace and agreed just to get psycho to “shut up”
2) The fact that Psycho didn’t mention this alleged promise until like his 5th or 6th message.

I’m also skeptical because what he is saying doesn’t seem consistent with the history in the score graph. So I ask him to state exactly what Mictlan received in exchange for this promise and when it was given.

He said that the deal was made “exactly” five turns ago and:

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Originally Posted by SciecePro

You still haven't explained what exactly AOE/I got in exchange for this ill-advised promise he allegedly made. Exactly what castle or provinces did he receive?

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Yes, I have. The castle in Deadlands(115) and all your provinces south of it.

Okay so that would be six provinces, 115, 106, 109, 97, 96, and 86. Not counting the three provinces I raided from vanheim (which I didn’t include above either), I have 24 provinces now. Five turns ago I had 26. In fact I’ve had 26 for pretty much the entire game except a short time when I held about 6 of pan’s current provinces. So I started with 26 and then Psycho gave me 6 more and I ended up with a total of 24????

So was he just lying or does he really believe that it’s possible to “give” someone provinces they already have and have had for a long time? Regardless, it seems to me that the only thing AoE got out of this alleged deal is what he said in his forum post, for Pyscho to stop browbeating him and to “shut up.”

Well, I return that to you. You have my blessing to browbeat as much as you want.

Psycho · #**250** November 23rd, 2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Valerius

Just so everyone is on the same page... Van and Pan are obviously currently at war. Van and Mictlan are now at peace. Are Mictlan and Pan at war immediately? Are they dissolving their NAP (which I assume they have) and will be at war soon? Just want to find out where everyone stands.

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