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				 Allegiances 2 (Large,Team-Based Game, PLAYING) 
 With the success of the first team game, Allegiances...http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1 
...I would like to go ahead and begin forming the NEXT team game. This will be a much larger game, with a maximum of nine teams of 2. At the minimum, I would like to have 6 teams, but hopefully we can get more.
 
The rules will probably change before game start, as we analyze their effectiveness in the first game. Right now, we have...
 
CURRENT RULES: 
 
1. Early Era
 
2. Random team pairings 
 
2. Nations pre-grouped by theme 
 
3. Random selection of theme 
 
4. Once game begins, no hostile actions can be made until at least after the 15th turn (but no one is required to attack on turn 16     ) 
 
5. Standard victory condition. Default settings, except no graphs, and renaming is allowed. 
 
CONNECTION INFO:
 
67.66.187.69 
Port: 9945 
 
MAP:
 
Latest attached above
 
PLAYERS:
 
1 - Thrawn  
2 - Micah 
3 - Shovah32 
4 - DrPraetorious 
5 - OoohSnap 
6 - Yucky 
7 - Folket 
8 - Sivoc  
9 - Velusion 
10 - Baalz 
11 - Snacktime 
12 - Janlm 
 
EARLY ERA THEMES:
 
1. HAZY SHADE OF WINTER  
Niefelheim - Janlm 
Ulm - Sivoc
 
2. TOGA! TOGA! TOGA! 
Pangaea - Velusion 
Arcoscephale - Thrawn
 
3. PYRAMID POWER  
Mictlan - Baalz 
C'tis - Shovah
  
4. ARE WE ON FIRE YET?  
Abysia - Snacktime 
Yomi - Folket
 
5. GIBBERING ALL THE WAY  
Agartha - Dr. P 
Caelum - Micah
 
6. DRUIDS ARE TOTALLY VIKINGS, RIGHT? 
Helheim - Yucky 
Marverni - OoohSnap
 
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				September 27th, 2007, 04:02 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
 Sounds fun, sign me up. Do we get to chose who plays what nation within the team ? |  
	
		
	
	
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				September 27th, 2007, 04:10 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
  Last time you could divide your theme however you wanted.
 Sign me up as well.
 
 EDIT: And yes, I will make another map. Do we want people spread out in a circle again?
 
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				September 27th, 2007, 04:30 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
 Sure, sign me up. 
 I think splitting up the water teams is a bad idea though, it seems like it would really restrict the amount of help the 2 allied nations could give each other and result in divide-and-conquer tactics being used to pick off the isolated nations.
 
 Rlyeh/Atlantis as a team would be a pretty solid pairing, I think (as opposed to Atlantis getting its *** handed to it by the other 2 aquatic powers, like in every other EA game).
 
 And Dr. P, for the map, I think the lake should be in the middle as opposed to one of the sides, since Ulm/Mari got ganged pretty fiercely in the first game purely from the map layout.
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				September 27th, 2007, 04:42 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
  Well, you'll notice that no-one is *forced* to take a water nation.
 My preference would be to allow people to pick water nations, if they wished, in mixed teams, and then I'd make the map with the correct proportion of water.
 
 We could also put a water team in the middle and arrange all the other teams in a ring around the edge.
 
 Note that Agartha is amphibious and can assist a water-based ally.
 
 But my real problem is that we'd either have one team of 2 water players - who no enemies that can reach them, which is the other thing that happened in the first game - or one team of 2 water players and 1 mixed team that gets kicked out of the water immediately.
 
 There just aren't enough water-based nations to have team water-warfare, is my feeling.
 
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				September 27th, 2007, 05:06 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
 Unopposed water nations happen often enough in other games that it doesn't seem like a huge problem to me, though. That's their consolation prize for sucking outside of the water (and EA Ocean/Rlyeh are REALLY bad topside, with Atlantis being non-viable for water-warfare, even with help from an ally, since they need resources more than gold). I guess we could leave the aquatics out altogether, but splitting a team up like that just seems like a booby trap to me. I don't disagree with your assessment of how things would break down, I just don't think an unopposed water team would be a game-breaker. 
 If anything the water team would probably be too weak, since I don't think EA Rlyeh can duplicate the success I've had with their Middle age counterparts, due to their significant drop in magic diversity and the lack of item slots on their mages. Anyhow, I'm not admining the game, so it's not my call to make in the end, I just wanted to bring it up to be looked at as an issue.
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				September 27th, 2007, 05:11 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, RECRUITI 
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				October 10th, 2007, 07:49 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, FULL) 
 if we start over, will it be possible to  upload a new pretender? |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 10th, 2007, 08:15 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, FULL) 
 Wow, I think Dr P gets props for being impressively diplomatic! |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 10th, 2007, 11:49 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Allegiances 2 (Large Team-Based Game, FULL) 
 I take it this game is delayed a bit, is that right? |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
	
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