Sharivar - LA game 4 bussy ppl. Complete. Wraithlord wins.

[Dimaz]

1) I mean ALL stone sphere scrying adds together, for all provinces. Of course it makes no sense in context of one battle, sometimes there were 10 or so enchantments in one battle and there was no problem.
2) I also have a feeling that Relief wasn't cast in another battle, but I need to check it one more time, and I can't do it now.

[WraithLord]

I understand your suspicion. However in said battle, this last turn, my mages and Pan's cast plenty of BF ench. AoG, AoL, WotF & relief.

2 strange things that I did notice:
- relief was cast by both sides but I didn't see it's icon and it didn't seem to take effect
- Mages didn't cast what I ordered, ex. instead of Fog warriors I got arrow fend etc.

Perhaps, there's a different limit: how many BF there are per turn per all the battles. Maybe your battle was towards the end of the Q.

[Dimaz]

AoG, AoL and Fog Warriors are NOT enchntments (no icon), they're one-time spells. On the other hand Relief is, and what you observed is very similar to my case (in debug log, cast was successful, but the spell wasn't in effect after that).

[thejeff]

I think I saw a lack of Life After Death in one of mine. I didn't check the debug log though. I can do that later, see if it's the same thing.

And I'd wondered where all those Astral Windows were coming from.
Can you turn them off? Or at least some of them. Scrying on Pan should be less critical now.

[WraithLord]

If the stone spheres cause the problem (and it's a fairly big if) then it stands to reason we all lose from this.

Ermor needs those BF ench. as well. 1k armies of undead chaff don't stand a chance to even a single SC.

Besides, how can we say what is worse, not having relief or rigor mortis up or not knowing when and where you're gonna be hit.

I actually prefer full intel to having relief, rigor mortis and darkness.
Edit: that said, I'll accept results of voting. but to make simple and possible to follow we either agree to use spheres or ban them altoghether.

[Dimaz]

I think first we should try to understand if 1) other bf enchantments are working or not 2) if not, is it connected to stone sphere use. If the problem is indeed due to stone spheres, we should probably figure out the maximum number of allowed enchantments, somehow decide how many stone spheres can be used in the game and divide this number equally between remaining players.
Edit:
Ok, I looked through the log for another battle and found similar messages for LotNS and Relief. So the problem is here indeed and my point 1) is confirmed.
Also, FYI, I used 23 SS this turn.

[thejeff]

Well, T'ien Ch'i has no spheres, so it's obviously to my advantage to drop them to allow BF spells to work.

We could do a trial run. Don't use them for a turn and see if the enchantments work?

Either that or someone can try to duplicate the problem in an SP test game. See if you can figure out what the actual limits are. I'm not going to have time for that in the next couple of days though.

I'm not sure I've actually seen the issue. I definitely had BF enchantments the turn before last. Life after Death didn't seem to work, but it showed up as normal in the debug log. Relief did work.
None were used this past turn.

[WraithLord]

I didn't forge that many spheres. If indeed the spheres cause the problem then perhaps the excess lies with Gath

Hey, if all this is true then you've found a new way to, if not entirely cheat then at least, manipulate the game so one can turn on and off BF ench. at his will. If true, should be added to house rules.

[Dimaz]

I'll send the turn to IW as Edi suggested. Maybe we should pause the game while they're looking into it, or try to test in SP as thejeff suggested (unfortunately I'm not sure if I have enough time to do it before the next hosting as the weekend is going to be busy this time).

[WraithLord]

Dimaz, thank you for handling this so seriously!

If you want we can pause the game. Since you took ownership on the problem I leave it for you to decide, unless thejeff objects that is.

Please tell as soon as possible.