MP: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI. Game Over. Team ACGHHS wins!

[DrPraetorious]

On reflection, purely for reference in future games, I dislike this swap system. I'm a little displeased about having to redo pretender design etc, but Caelum is actually stronger than Pangaea (which is why I put it higher on the list originally,) especially for a configuration that already features *2* giant races. I only wanted to swap out because my teammate expressed a strong preference, and I want my teammates to be able to play to their strengths.

The way things stood before, there was (whatever some might have thought) no penalty in padding your list with desirable nations, except in so far as you might get them. If your first seven choices are picked before you pick your second choice, you get choice #8, same as you would've if you'd put your choice #8 as #2 on your list. So the correct thing to do is just to pick what you actually want and hope you get it.

By rewarding people with additional, post draft flexibility, you *encourage* gamesmanship by having people put nations which they don't want, but which will probably draft high, so that the nations they actually want are officially higher #s on their list. The ability to swap picks after the fact is actually quite valuable in a team game, since you can easily close flexibility holes that appear in your initial draft.

[Septimius Severus]

Chris has picked Pangaea and dropped Ermor, available unassigned:

Abysia
Ermor
Marverni
Agartha
C'tis

Let's go DrP, your up swap or pass?

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

On reflection, purely for reference in future games, I dislike this swap system. I'm a little displeased about having to redo pretender design etc, but Caelum is actually stronger than Pangaea (which is why I put it higher on the list originally,) especially for a configuration that already features *2* giant races. I only wanted to swap out because my teammate expressed a strong preference, and I want my teammates to be able to play to their strengths.

The way things stood before, there was (whatever some might have thought) no penalty in padding your list with desirable nations, except in so far as you might get them. If your first seven choices are picked before you pick your second choice, you get choice #8, same as you would've if you'd put your choice #8 as #2 on your list. So the correct thing to do is just to pick what you actually want and hope you get it.

By rewarding people with additional, post draft flexibility, you *encourage* gamesmanship by having people put nations which they don't want, but which will probably draft high, so that the nations they actually want are officially higher #s on their list. The ability to swap picks after the fact is actually quite valuable in a team game, since you can easily close flexibility holes that appear in your initial draft.

I'll take that it into consideration for future games. If anyone can come up with a complete solution that is not too complicated or time consuming and satisfies as many players as possible I'll consider using it in the next game instead of ranked list + swaps.

Right now please swap or pass so we can finish this.

Edit: oops didn't read all of your previous post, I take it then that you pass since Pan goes to chris?

[Septimius Severus]

Very well, the Deva's pass!

Agema, your up, then Algae. Available unassigned:

Abysia
Ermor
Marverni
Agartha
C'tis

I will then ask the monumental question: Is everbody finished with swaps? If no responses in the affirmative, Gandalf will resume his work and we can get moving.
At that point I'll assume that Pyg will be playing Caelum, and hunt11 will be playing Pangaea, etc, unless I hear different.

CuriousCat, your good to go on the forums just in case your wondering.

To save time, it is likely either myself or melnorjr will handle the team placements using a roll of the die and following the default rubric, reading top down on the opening post, left front, right front, left rear, right rear (depending upon the axis of course). If you've an alternate placement arrangement in mind PM me, when swaps are over. If there are objections to myself or melnorjr doing this, let me know and we'll bring in Edi.

[Immaculate]

Dont put me on the front lines- i'll get munched.

[Agema]

Pass from my team.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Immaculate

Dont put me on the front lines- i'll get munched.

Heh. Discuss with Algae and your team about moving you down a slot and possible moving up someone else (problem is both viccio and Rabbit are noobs as well). Maybe your captain can bring in makinus or psi, that is if someone doesn't mind going back bench on your team for now.

[Septimius Severus]

Agema has passed, Algae your turn. Swap or pass?

[AlgaeNymph]

Pass.

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus

Discuss with Algae and your team about moving you down a slot and possible moving up someone else

I believe Immaculate referred to the map placement and not the team roster. Am I correct, Immaculate?

[Immaculate]

yup- map placement but if we are three newbs i guess it doesn't matter...