Some Observations...(all are welcomed)

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

BK, I wasn't comparing "sympathy for one's prey" as such with Nazism, but the fact that "animal rights protestors" in Canada skinned a seal themselves to prove that it was evil. That, to me, is as evil as Nazism is.

[Glyn]

Warring!!! This thread is experiencing topic drift!


I think all the animals, plants and alien food people would be offended by comments made if they hadn’t been eaten.


The above comment was not intended to be offensive to more than .01% of the population.


Wasn’t there a twilight zone show where aliens landed and they carried around a book titled “How to Serve Man”?

[PvK]

Oh no, North Americans with their wide open spaces would never maximize their profit/cost ratios by doing tremendous things to chickens. Certainly no human would sear off a chicken beak - what reason would there be for that?

. . .

Well, no reason, until they get crammed together so that they start fighting and cannibalizing each other.

"Most Americans know little about how their eggs are produced. They don't know that American egg-producers typically keep their hens in bare wire cages, often crammed eight or nine hens to a cage so small that they never have room to stretch even one wing, let alone both. The space allocated per hen, in fact, is even less than broiler chickens get, ranging from 48 to 72 square inches. Even the higher of these figures is less than the size of a standard American sheet of typing paper. In such crowded conditions, stressed hens tend to peck each other -- and the sharp beak of a hen can be a lethal weapon when used relentlessly against weaker birds unable to escape. To prevent this, producers routinely sear off the ends of the hens' sensitive beaks with a hot blade -- without an anesthetic."

excerpt from The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter by Peter Singer and Jim Mason

PvK

[Fyron]

Ungh, not more of the propaganda.

[PvK]

Oh... right... never trust vegetarians... or people who care about the treatment of animals.

[Fyron]

PvK said:
...people who care about the treatment of animals.

Why should I care about them? They only exist to become food, afterall. I don't want to see excessive production waste just because it makes the animals "happier."

[narf poit chez BOOM]

According to my dad, who was raised on a farm, eight chickens cannot be crammed into an 8x8x8 sized encloser.

Based on my own understanding of the dimensions of a chicken, I doubt you could fit a single chicken in there.

[PvK]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
According to my dad, who was raised on a farm, eight chickens cannot be crammed into an 8x8x8 sized encloser.

Based on my own understanding of the dimensions of a chicken, I doubt you could fit a single chicken in there.

Narf, what are you referring to? The low end was 40 or 48 inches square per chicken, not per eight chickens. 48 would be about 7 x 7 per chicken (if it were square, vertical unspecified), and the wonderful concession is a gradual increase to 72 which is more like 8 x 9 inches (flappin' 4 joy (tm)). There are generally several chickens per cage though, so an 8-chicken cage would be 8 times as big, with 8 chickens. There are pictures on the net of course if still curious. Just do a Google image search for: chicken "battery cage" ... or not.

[Captain Kwok]

I find it interesting Regegade13 that you complain about the generalizations made by vegetarian groups etc., and then you go and make a half-dozen generalizations yourself. PvK already addressed most of these items, but let me assure you there are large populations of people who live in rural communities that do not eat animal products and they survive just fine. Just because your experience is more noble, doesn't mean that people who don't eat meat for some of the reasons mentioned in this thread are without reason.

If anything, people in North America generally consume more meat than is healthy, particularly of beef and pork. If you look at some of the top causes of death in North America, many can be attributed to this diet. Instead of consuming bacon in moderation, we'd rather genetically engineer pigs to make lower cholesterol bacon...

Of course, many of these animals wouldn't exist if it weren't for the demand for their meat, but that doesn't justify that they need to suffer. Fyron should hope that the animals that are raised for his consumption are happy, because it certainly makes a difference in the end product that he will see on his dinner table.

There is nothing wrong with not eating meat because you don't like the general treatment of animals in the meat industry. It's your choice and good for you. Of course, there are always the few people among any group that are preachy and irksome, but that's the same for any body of people that have a "cause".

[narf poit chez BOOM]

PvK said:

Narf, what are you referring to? The low end was 40 or 48 inches square per chicken, not per eight chickens. 48 would be about 7 x 7 per chicken (if it were square, vertical unspecified), and the wonderful concession is a gradual increase to 72 which is more like 8 x 9 inches (flappin' 4 joy (tm)). There are generally several chickens per cage though, so an 8-chicken cage would be 8 times as big, with 8 chickens. There are pictures on the net of course if still curious. Just do a Google image search for: chicken "battery cage" ... or not.

Ah, thanks. I misread.

That does look rather cruel. I don't actually know if that's prevalent, but it's definitly cruel.