obat 34 Italy

[brummbaer]

Done some further research. Only the San Marco marine infantry have the C90etc, though couldn't find since when. They use it as light support weapon, together with the Panzerfaust 3.
It seems C90 was also evaluated for some time by Col Moschin Commando Battalion and Comsubin. Col Moschin then turned it off for the more powerful Panzerfaust 3 which is the standard AT infantry weapon today.

Also 500 french APILAS were bought for evaluation before PzF 3 adoption, and used to exhaustion by Folgore and some motorized infantry. I don't think this is worth to be entered in the oob, but just in case.
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VBC wheeled infantry vehicle (units 041-078-089-200) is going to enter service in the next months. I'm still trying to find in which versions. Stay tuned.

Everything ok with the Mangusta? (above post)
regards

[brummbaer]

I've seen only later that the 3.5 patch has already been released (great! for you all involved), so I guess it's a bit too late. No problem, let's play with it now!

[brummbaer]

brummbaer said:
...New version is A-129 CBT, units 509-510, which entered service in 10/02 with 15 new helos and the older ones upgraded. This is the first version to mount fixed 12.7mm Gatling gun under chin, TOW 2B or Hellfire ATGM and 70 or 81mm rocket pods...

*patting my head* I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote this. The A129CBT is armed with a fixed 20mm gatling gun under the chin.
Sorry.

[brummbaer]

While playing a campaign with Italy in 1986 I found some incongruences. As usual I leave them here to Don and Andy attention.

Tank Companies, either with M60 or Leopard 1 are on 16 tank (1+ 3x5) well into the end of the '80s, also M47 was available at the time, but doesn't show up in the purchase screen.

Mechanized infantry and Bersaglieri should have same organization, with Bersaglieri more elite. And uniformely equipped with either VCC-1 or VCC-2, or M113 for infantry.

Alpini Companies are on three platoons.

unit 088 SPSAM Indigo MEI: not that I complain about having some of these, but what is it? I never heard of it and couldn't find any info on google.

units 124 and 134 M114 155mm howitzer was available till early '90s; let's say 1990 before army reorganization.

units 145-147-151: MLRS entered service in 10/1993 with 20 systems.

unit 141 M15 8" how was available till early '90s; let's say 1990 before army reorganization again.

PS is it just me or campaigns are more difficult than standard scenarios?

[DRG]

brummbaer said:
While playing a campaign with Italy in 1986 I found some incongruences. As usual I leave them here to Don and Andy attention.

Tank Companies, either with M60 or Leopard 1 are on 16 tank (1+ 3x5) well into the end of the '80s, also M47 was available at the time, but doesn't show up in the purchase screen.

******Were the five tank platoons in service at the same time as the four tank platoons or didn't the four tank platoons enter service until the late 1980's ?

brummbaer said:

Alpini Companies are on three platoons.

***** Meaning what exactly ? the Alpini Companies in the game have two "regular" Alpini platoons and an Alpini engineer platoon.

Don

[brummbaer]

Don,
re tank platoons: the second you say. Transition from 5 to 4 was done sometime around 1990. It proves hard to draw a precise timeline, and the two platoons may have co-existed for a short time as in every transition. But as organizational TO&E in the '80s they were all on 5, and later both Leos and M60 were reduced to 4. M47 remained on 5 till final dismission in 1989.
re alpini: in 1980 companies are on 3 "assaltatori" platoons, i.e. regular alpini infantry, plus AT platoon and mortar platoon (6x81mm). Alpini engineers form a separate company under brigade command.
Ciao

[brummbaer]

More small addictions:
VCC-1 (units 192-193) have no secondary 7.62 MG, just the main one M2HB 12.7.

Scout and FO vehicles units 216-217-218-219-401 and also light amphibians 202-203 have no weapons on board. I guess this is the case for other armies as well, so maybe there is some reason behind this.

Unit 212 Mav 4: never heard of this one, is it meant to represent some unspecified protected vehicle? The only wheeled APC we had is the FIAT 6614, and only for internal security duties (carabinieri).
All for now
Ciao

[DRG]

"Carrozzeria Boneschi TLE Boneschi Multirole 4 x 4 Armoured Vehicle MAV-4 (Italy) "

"The Boneschi MAV-4 is a light armored vehicle used by the Italians......"

Designation: MAV 4
Manufactured by: Carrozeria Boneschi Srl
Type: Armoured Vehicles
Name: Wheeled armoured personnel carrier


It exists and there is info for it on the 'net. Whether it entered service or not in 1958 is questionable.

Don

[brummbaer]

DRG said:
"Carrozzeria Boneschi TLE Boneschi Multirole 4 x 4 Armoured Vehicle MAV-4 (Italy) "

"The Boneschi MAV-4 is a light armored vehicle used by the Italians......"

Designation: MAV 4
Manufactured by: Carrozeria Boneschi Srl
Type: Armoured Vehicles
Name: Wheeled armoured personnel carrier


It exists and there is info for it on the 'net. Whether it entered service or not in 1958 is questionable.

Don

Really a rare one! It's probably from the '80s, but I don't have any solid source. Anyway I'd list it in the miscellaneous menu as command or utility vehicle rather than in armor recon companies.

[brummbaer]

Some other little smoothings:
-units 437 and 438 (MG59 MMG) are both available from 1/73 while the 438 should, presumably, be available from 1/91 after the 437 goes off the list.
-VCC-1 (units 192-193) can carry only 7; infantry and bersaglieri squads carried should be adjusted accordingly start 1/74 (I set units 310-311-312 on 7 men).
-VCC-80 Dardo (units 194-195) has a crew of 3 and can carry 6. Actually the TC could dismount with the squad if needed, but obviously this can't be covered by the game. So it is a matter of choice between 3+6 (formally correct) or a more infantry-friendly 2+7.
Ciao