OT: Star Trek Movie (XI)

[Renegade 13]

AgentZero said:
At that point, as I said, you might as well be shooting bull**** out the torpedo tubes.

Hey that might actually be effective.

"Damn it cap'n, they're shootin'...****e at us out of their tubes!"

"Quick, take evasive action...I don't want my new paint job messed up!"

[GuyOfDoom]

To me it's a difference of genre. TOS was "Cowboys in Space"

After TNG they started really explaining things in pseudo-science. It fit because it was what I grew to expect.

Then you have the other sci-fi approach which is that "we have it, we just don't bother trying to justify how it works" ala Firefly, Star Wars, etc.

[Atrocities]

What I liked about TOS was the fact that you saw the crew interact well together. McCoy wasn't afraid to piss off Kirk, and Kirk wasn't ashamed to apologize for being a jerk. The banter between McCoy and Spock was well played. The support cast new their places in the chain of command and didn't rock the ship so to speak. The show felt more real than TNG, DS9, or Voyager.

You got a real sense of comradely with them that was present in other Star Trek shows, but in a different way.

TNG was great, but way to liberal in way to many aspects say for a few episodes like Yesterday's Enterprise and such.

DS9 was a very deeply cast oriented series and I enjoyed it very much. Sisko wasn't afraid to take action, while always worrying about the moral side of things.

Janeway was ok, but never really liked Voyager.

[Renegade 13]

DS9 was great in the latter seasons, a la the Dominion Wars. Some of the best Trek that ever, I think.

[gregebowman]

I defintely will see the movie, even if I don't know the plot. (Kind of ruined Empires Strikes Back for me when I read the novelization before the movie came out). I agree Gary Sinise would have been my choise for McCoy too, but I guess he learned his lesson in greed.

As far what "camp" I'm in, I haven't really thought about it. I consider myself a trekkie, because I'm only a year or two older than the origanal show myself, and vaguely remember seeing an episode or two prime time. I think Roddenberry went too far out of the way when he didn't want a violent solution to a crisis. Not that the show back then could have handled a Federation vs Klingon war in Errand of Mercy budgetwise.

I think today's audience want the violent solution over the peaceful one, unless it's a very creative way to resolve the differences. I'd rather see ships shooting it out in space than Picard talking himself hoarse trying not to shoot.

I just hope this movie is as good as the "Genesis" trilogy of films (2-4), and not some debacle like V or last 2 NG films. I guess we'll find out next year.

[Spectarofdeath]

Agreed. If your going to make a sci-fi show, you need to show some awesome fleet battles. Too bad this is the only show (ST wise) that really delivered this. The whole "Space is big enough for everybody so lets hold hands and pass the peace pipe" stance was just way too overdone in TNG. But then again, they needed a show for the masses, and as we all know, in this day and age, if they show someone getting a splinter, parents and politicians whine and b!tch that kids shouldn't be watching that and it then gets replaced with either some "reality" show or some show with some big chested bimbo blondes and some 24-pack guys so the kids can be shown what "reality" is like and that they should look like them and feel horrible about themselves if they don't and commit suicide.

[Atrocities]

That whole KIDS in space undertone of TNG was just annoying as hell. Would Kirk ever allow a CHILD to helm the Enterprise... NFW! (Not without being forced to by some alien bastard)

[Atrocities]

I swear to GOD that if they have some 14 year old super wizz kid running around the NCC 1701 in this movie, I will throw my popcorn and beverage bottle (no pop, I assure you) at the screen and stomp out of the theater and demand my money back.

[Renegade 13]

Atrocities said:
I swear to GOD that if they have some 14 year old super wizz kid running around the NCC 1701 in this movie, I will throw my popcorn and beverage bottle (no pop, I assure you) at the screen and stomp out of the theater and demand my money back.

I'd be right there with you.

[Atrocities]

No ensign expendables here, give us true trek or give us the phaser!