Returning script ignored. Bug? - Page 3

Edi · #1 August 15th, 2008, 04:27 AM

As was noted before, if there was a gem overflow issue, that might have caused problems.

ano · #2 August 15th, 2008, 04:53 AM

Edi

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As was noted before, if there was a gem overflow issue, that might have caused problems.

I didn't know that... What is meant by overflow, btw? How many extra games are counted as overflow?
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When you tried the exact same build, did you just give your unit 28 D gems? Or did he gather them in battle (killing more than 30 units)?

Gathered with sickle a turn ago, of course

. I understood that such golem would be a tasty dish for an enemy and therefore scripted returning.

Xietor · #3 August 15th, 2008, 11:12 AM

Try it with an 8 hp mage. If the 8 hp mage returns every time with no pd, then my point is proven.

chrispedersen · #4 August 15th, 2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Xietor

Try it with an 8 hp mage. If the 8 hp mage returns every time with no pd, then my point is proven.

a 9 hp mage.
a 77 pt seraph
a 77pt seraph
a 300 pt pretender.

No returns were cast.

K · #5 August 15th, 2008, 11:53 PM

I had this bug in DarkParadise with an Astral Monolith and Horrors. Basically, even a Horror is not enough to prevent a script override.

ano · #6 August 15th, 2008, 11:36 AM

Did you mean using 8hp mage instead of golem or instead of duel caster?
And where did you find that magic number 8? Not a secret?

Xietor · #7 August 15th, 2008, 11:43 AM

I am playing pythium in Fallacy. my mages have 8 hps. They have never failed to successfully cast returning this game for me, except once.

When i put in a large pd and the attacking force was small.

Psycho · #8 August 15th, 2008, 12:17 PM

I've had the same problem, except that I had a seraph with a sickle and was attacked by shadow seers casting magic duel. This one is completely deterministic. I tried it in SP a dozen of times and the seraph never cast returning (always personal luck), when attacked by a group of 3-4 shadow seers. The same goes for golem, but not for a lowly guru mage, who did cast returning. I thought that it had something to do with the fact that shadow seers are stealthy, but maybe that's not true. I also tried it with gurus instead of shadow seers on the attacker side and both seraph and golem cast returning in this case, so I don't think it's related just to hit points. I tried it even with a scout empowered to 2S and again no returning from seraph or golem. I didn't look into the logs though.

My solution in MP was to always script phoenix pyre as the first spell for seraph, but my golems mostly became obsolete.

Anyway, I agree that this spell should never be overridden with another spell if it is scripted.

Xietor · #9 August 15th, 2008, 12:38 PM

Well look at it from the Ai's perspective.

Why in the world would a serpah run from anything? Of course the Ai is not attuned to look at spells that instant kill.

thejeff · #10 August 15th, 2008, 12:10 PM

It's still possible it's just an override, but largely based on the debug log, I think it's some kind of gem bug.
Isn't there a "Can use gems" flag of some kind? That's the AI deciding it's not worth wasting gems.
A test might be to try a weak (8hp if you wish) mage with and without the 28 death gems.