Multi-Heroes?

[Lingchih]

Does Pangaea seem to get their heroes quite often? Even if you take misfortune scales? Granted, I've played Pan perhaps a third of all the Dom games I have played, so I may be biased, but I seem to always get two or even three of the heroes. And two of them (The Black Bull and the Harpy Queen) are pretty nice heroes.

[Gandalf Parker]

I get them often with Pangaea but Ive only rarely played with high misfortune. I play mostly with low Order and Productivity with Pangaea.

[Lingchih]

Really? I've played them with misfortune many times (I often play LA Pan), and still seem to get the heroes every game. Odd.

[Stavis_L]

So...are people in this thread indicating that they get multi-heroes in NON-"worthy heroes" modded games (other than the two particular ages of Pythium/Eiru referenced above)? Should I trust the DomDB info, or is there another source?

Color me confused

[thejeff]

I think there's been a lot of blurring in this thread between getting multi-heroes and regular heroes.
I don't think anyone's been clear on having more than one multi-hero at the same time. I don't think I have, but I don't play most of those nations often. Man sometimes, but I don't remember seeing one Knight of the Stone, much less several.
Worthy Heroes shouldn't change the mechanics of heroes, just adding and changing the heroes themselves, so if people have had several multi-heroes there it should work in the base game too.


Looking at Edi's DB I see the following:
Bogarus -- Bogatyr - Multihero
Man -- Knight of the Stone (nonunique?)
Pythium -- Master of the Games (nonunique?)
Ulm LA -- Member of the Third Tier (Not marked as such, but name given as *?)

I'm not sure where you're seeing Eriu.
Knights of the Stone may be MA & LA. As may be Masters of the Games.

The DB doesn't seem to have standardized notation for heroes & multi-heroes so I could be missing something.

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by thejeff

Looking at Edi's DB I see the following:
Bogarus -- Bogatyr - Multihero
Man -- Knight of the Stone (nonunique?)
Pythium -- Master of the Games (nonunique?)
Ulm LA -- Member of the Third Tier (Not marked as such, but name given as *?)

I'm not sure where you're seeing Eriu.
Knights of the Stone may be MA & LA. As may be Masters of the Games.

The DB doesn't seem to have standardized notation for heroes & multi-heroes so I could be missing something.

As per Edratman's post above I went to the "ArmyList" tab of the spreadsheet. Then I just searched for "multi". The only hits are for Pythium - Emerald Empire (nation 29) with "Master of the Games" and for Eiru - Last of the Tuatha (nation 69) with "Fianna". I don't see like entries for Man, Ulm, or Bogarus at all. Where are you looking?

[Hoplosternum]

Originally Posted by thejeff

I think there's been a lot of blurring in this thread between getting multi-heroes and regular heroes.
I don't think anyone's been clear on having more than one multi-hero at the same time. I don't think I have, but I don't play most of those nations often. Man sometimes, but I don't remember seeing one Knight of the Stone, much less several.
Worthy Heroes shouldn't change the mechanics of heroes, just adding and changing the heroes themselves, so if people have had several multi-heroes there it should work in the base game too.

You can definitely get multiple multiheroes. I have had several Master of the Games with MA Pythium in the same game and alive at the same time. I don't think I ever got two in the same turn however.

This may have been played under Worthy Heroes (most MP games are). But the mechanic of getting Multiheroes would not change, only if there are any to actually get for that nation, with the Mod.

So multiple Multiheroes

[thejeff]

I looked in the "AllUnits" tab.
Looking in the Army List, there are definitely heroes missing. Many only seem to be listed for one age, some are missing entirely.

But there are some, like the Fianna, not listed as heroes in AllUnits either.

So to answer your earlier question, you shouldn't trust the DB for heroes, but I don't know of another source.

[ryo_akashi]

Originally Posted by thejeff

I looked in the "AllUnits" tab.
So to answer your earlier question, you shouldn't trust the DB for heroes, but I don't know of another source.

Check the Allview map inside the Debug mod. I try to put all the heroes under one province (5) but I do not guarantee that the heroes are complete or enabled in the game.

[Edratman]

Stavis,

I just checked the data base and I see that it is not complete on heroes as you have stated. My bad.

I concur with Thejeff, there is not a better listing anywhere.

Sorry for the misleading information.