Lewis gun higher accuracy than Bren? - Page 3

chuckfourth · #1 May 21st, 2009, 01:31 AM

The usual squad formation in many armies is something like a rifle group and a gun (LMG) group. Now as the LMG is the main firepower of the squad the lance corporal {squad 2IC} is put in charge of it. So gunner, loader and corporal makes a 3 man team.
Best Regards Chuck.

Cross · #2 May 21st, 2009, 08:04 AM

I'd assumed the LMG teams were for scenario design, to create a MG post for certain situations; or were similar to the frequent two man AT teams we often see in SP. One must assume the AT teams are part of a section/squad and have a Corporal over them somewhere (perhaps he's back at Platoon HQ brewing the tea ;-)

I think Andy makes a good point about vulnerable small teams. The AT teams are expensive, and don't do very well in SP. I rarely use them, and when my opponent uses them they are easily KO. Perhaps they are only useful sitting in ambush at some crossroads.

Mobhack · #3 May 21st, 2009, 10:02 AM

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I'd assumed the LMG teams were for scenario design, to create a MG post for certain situations; or were similar to the frequent two man AT teams we often see in SP. One must assume the AT teams are part of a section/squad and have a Corporal over them somewhere (perhaps he's back at Platoon HQ brewing the tea ;-)

I think Andy makes a good point about vulnerable small teams. The AT teams are expensive, and don't do very well in SP. I rarely use them, and when my opponent uses them they are easily KO. Perhaps they are only useful sitting in ambush at some crossroads.

They are possibly useful for that - but like the special farces teams they could be made in the scenario editor if required.

The independent AT teams "section" are not really historical in the UK OOB - but can be used to represent the separating out of the platoon AT teams as tank hunters as was done.

The small 2 man AT teams can be useful in WW2 (they definately are in MBT when they have RPG and MAW, with useful ranges and accuracy) - but only if held behind the rifle sections, not advanced out in front of the platoon. If seen they soon die, esp if 1 casualty makes them require rallying (50% casualties) to do anything.

Andy

hoplitis · #4 May 21st, 2009, 10:35 AM

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Andy

Andy,
Was that a typo or an opinion?

Mobhack · #5 May 21st, 2009, 11:23 AM

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Andy

Andy,
Was that a typo or an opinion?

Not a typo. Opinion on the Walt types that seem to want to have these in their cores as super-ninja Rambo combat storm troopers.

Andy

chuckfourth · #6 May 21st, 2009, 06:58 PM

Hi Cross
Independant AT killer groups do seem to have existed in the various armies TOES so 2 men would seem to be correct. When the AT weapon is simply issued to a squad member then I think it is unlikely that 2IC is in charge of it as this leaves the LMG unsupervised, other infantry usually being the main threat. I think the squad AT guy/team would be on his own, if he wants LMG covering fire then better that the 2IC is directing that.
Best Regards Chuck.

Cross · #7 May 22nd, 2009, 11:56 AM

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Hi Cross
Independant AT killer groups do seem to have existed in the various armies TOES so 2 men would seem to be correct. When the AT weapon is simply issued to a squad member then I think it is unlikely that 2IC is in charge of it as this leaves the LMG unsupervised, other infantry usually being the main threat. I think the squad AT guy/team would be on his own, if he wants LMG covering fire then better that the 2IC is directing that.
Best Regards Chuck.

You are right chuck. If we split a section into it's two component parts for fire base and movement, it would be 7 men (rifles), 3 men with 1 LMG.

I guess I'd assumed the unit was merely representing a LMG, rather than a 'half' a section, as SP doesn't provide a 7 man rifle team.

cheers,
Cross

runequester · #8 May 22nd, 2009, 01:17 PM

They could be extra guns retained at higher command levels and parcelled out (I believe the British did this with bren guns) as well as some enterprising grunts acquiring extra guns from elsewhere (other units, dead guys, bren carriers etc)

Mobhack · #9 May 22nd, 2009, 06:25 PM

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Hi Cross
Independant AT killer groups do seem to have existed in the various armies TOES so 2 men would seem to be correct. When the AT weapon is simply issued to a squad member then I think it is unlikely that 2IC is in charge of it as this leaves the LMG unsupervised, other infantry usually being the main threat. I think the squad AT guy/team would be on his own, if he wants LMG covering fire then better that the 2IC is directing that.
Best Regards Chuck.

You are right chuck. If we split a section into it's two component parts for fire base and movement, it would be 7 men (rifles), 3 men with 1 LMG.

I guess I'd assumed the unit was merely representing a LMG, rather than a 'half' a section, as SP doesn't provide a 7 man rifle team.

cheers,
Cross

It is not representing anything, as I said in an earlier post. It is just something an enthusiastic OOB designer added some time back in the past. The section Brens are with the sections, and those units are just some cruft left over, and not deleted just in case some scenario used them.

Andy

halstein · #10 May 24th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Hi.
On independent LMGs. In Norway, some company-commanders choosed to deploy ther Madsen LMGs in groups apart from the rifle-sections. So sepparate LMGs is not necesseserily wrong. However, on WinSPWW2's scale of 50m hexes, there LMGs can be deployed somewhere else in the hex, without us knowing it. We can not see what deployments the squadleadrs are doing.

Halstein.