Lewis gun higher accuracy than Bren? - Page 3

Cross · #21 May 20th, 2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Imp

Dont think the number of men effects spotting its the size rating that counts. When using them against unpinned infantry do not use all the shots every one increases your chance of being spotted.

I'd assumed the number of men played a role.

I think there's a greater chance of hitting a larger team though. Isn't this why snipers, even once spotted, are such a pain to KO?

Regardless, my main concern is for realism where possible; so a two man team just makes more sense.

cheers,
Cross

hoplitis · #22 May 20th, 2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cross

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Regardless, my main concern is for realism where possible; so a two man team just makes more sense.

cheers,
Cross

Wrong. Two service the weapon and one is on tea duty! They're Brits after all!

Mobryan · #23 May 21st, 2009, 12:01 AM

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I think there's a greater chance of hitting a larger team though. Isn't this why snipers, even once spotted, are such a pain to KO?
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I don't think so, I remember reading here somewhere that one of the sniper classes special attributes was the ability to convert a killing shot into extra surpression.

I might have it wrong, but I think that's one of the reasons they are so hard to kill.

Matt

Imp · #24 May 21st, 2009, 12:39 AM

Regarding earlier comments about Lewis gun 3 man team seems sensible for it, 2 to share carrying one with the ammo.
On the tea front Hoplitis was nearly right but from watching the gas board at work it would be 1 on the gun & 2 for tea duty

Mobhack · #25 May 21st, 2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cross

While on the subject of Lewis and Bren guns.

I noticed that the LMG Sections in the British OOB are all three man teams.
Shouldn't they be two man teams?

I remember using these a while back, and being surprised how quickly they were spotted and eliminated. Having only a two man section would sure help, and I'd think it would be more realistic.

Units:
482 (Lewis) LMG Section
483 (Bren) LMG Section, early
484 (Bren) LMG Section, late

cheers,
Cross

Who knows - some OOB "designer" sneaked those in at some point, and they are unused apart from a special formation - which bears no relation to any UK formation.

(The UK section should be LMG group + separate rifle group to reflect the special UK tactics, but weeny little 2-3 teams just die quickly in SP. Especially due to the rule that ~50% casualties is a crippled element. SP sections are best as unitary ones, not groups)

They may be size 0 - I would just ignore them as junk though.

In any case, firing gets you spotted. Even if size 0.

Andy

chuckfourth · #26 May 21st, 2009, 01:31 AM

The usual squad formation in many armies is something like a rifle group and a gun (LMG) group. Now as the LMG is the main firepower of the squad the lance corporal {squad 2IC} is put in charge of it. So gunner, loader and corporal makes a 3 man team.
Best Regards Chuck.

Cross · #27 May 21st, 2009, 08:04 AM

I'd assumed the LMG teams were for scenario design, to create a MG post for certain situations; or were similar to the frequent two man AT teams we often see in SP. One must assume the AT teams are part of a section/squad and have a Corporal over them somewhere (perhaps he's back at Platoon HQ brewing the tea ;-)

I think Andy makes a good point about vulnerable small teams. The AT teams are expensive, and don't do very well in SP. I rarely use them, and when my opponent uses them they are easily KO. Perhaps they are only useful sitting in ambush at some crossroads.

Mobhack · #28 May 21st, 2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cross

I'd assumed the LMG teams were for scenario design, to create a MG post for certain situations; or were similar to the frequent two man AT teams we often see in SP. One must assume the AT teams are part of a section/squad and have a Corporal over them somewhere (perhaps he's back at Platoon HQ brewing the tea ;-)

I think Andy makes a good point about vulnerable small teams. The AT teams are expensive, and don't do very well in SP. I rarely use them, and when my opponent uses them they are easily KO. Perhaps they are only useful sitting in ambush at some crossroads.

They are possibly useful for that - but like the special farces teams they could be made in the scenario editor if required.

The independent AT teams "section" are not really historical in the UK OOB - but can be used to represent the separating out of the platoon AT teams as tank hunters as was done.

The small 2 man AT teams can be useful in WW2 (they definately are in MBT when they have RPG and MAW, with useful ranges and accuracy) - but only if held behind the rifle sections, not advanced out in front of the platoon. If seen they soon die, esp if 1 casualty makes them require rallying (50% casualties) to do anything.

Andy