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[cleveland]

Originally Posted by Humakty

@ dear gent Cleveland, Lord of the Oaks : your map seems good and fine, even if I haven't checked every land mark ( I have my usual thursday golf starting soon). The only ichy points are there are no startpos, which can lead to disapointing startups (in my test game I had the whole lot of 1 land neighbour), and also that water provinces 133 and 104 have a great deal of land neighbours, which can result in some very cheesy situations for water nations, as far as i know. (which is not much, it's my very first MP game)

@ Humakty - Right-o! You beat me it, I haven't picked the valid starts yet. I've done it for a number of games and take it very seriously, you won't be disappointed come gameday.

Agreed, there are several water provinces with many land neighbors. This is a consequence of the island nature of the map, of trying to have lots of sea chokepoints, and of trying to keep the number of water provinces relatively low (I think it's currently ~12/uw player, as opposed to ~15/land player). Lots of water is - in my humble opinion - much worse than lots of land-water connectivity.

But everything can be changed, so if our cabal wishes to further section the oceans, it shall be done.

EDIT: I checked the numbers, I was way off on the per-province numbers. I'm going to recommend we either add an additional player, for a total of 8 land and 3 underwater nations, or change the mix to 7 land and 3 underwater nations. That'll bring the numbers more in line with the 15/12 target.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Good sir Cleveland, your suggestion to recruit 3 underwater nations will of course force some poor gent to pick up MA Oceania when he might have otherwise chosen a different nation.

As we all know that MA Oceania is quite underpowered and rather not so interesting to play, If we do decide to play with 3 underwater nations I then propose that we give them a bit of help with Burnsaber's fine Underwater Gameplay Improvement Mod.

I have noticed a problem however in that the Tomb Kings mod changes weapon 710: the Warhorse Hoof in CBM used on Heavy Cavalry and the like (which somehow always end up in provinces adjacent to your capital), into an utterly preposterous "Divine Flail" that Tomb Kings mentions are only supposed to be used on pretenders. I believe these to be simply copies of the CBM Divine Flails found on the Egyptian-style titan pretenders, so I shall upload a version of Tomb Kings that does away with these weapons in order to avoid unfortunate conflicts with CBM.

[Starshine_Monarch]

Originally Posted by Starshine_Monarch

I have noticed a problem however in that the Tomb Kings mod changes weapon 710: the Warhorse Hoof in CBM used on Heavy Cavalry and the like (which somehow always end up in provinces adjacent to your capital), into an utterly preposterous "Divine Flail" that Tomb Kings mentions are only supposed to be used on pretenders. I believe these to be simply copies of the CBM Divine Flails found on the Egyptian-style titan pretenders, so I shall upload a version of Tomb Kings that does away with these weapons in order to avoid unfortunate conflicts with CBM.

Would have edited, but I was a bit too late.

What I meant to say was I WOULD upload a new mod if I had any clue whatsoever on how Llama's mod combining script works. There are likely many other conflicts as well and as it is now there's no real easy way for me to fix this issue, so I humbly request that someone who knows what the heck he's doing run the mods we will be using through Llama's script...

darn, I too am in need of more Dom3 fix...but it seems ghoul beat me to it,*dips monocle in glass of water* but please consider me if someone drops out...

I was so quick to post that I didn't see Cleveland's recommendation; if you guys end up doing the 8 land nations 3-underwater mix (or just need another water-player) I'll take Atlantis OR Oceania... monocle...

[Squirrelloid]

MA Oceania is better than MA Atlantis, Starshine. The only good MA water nation is Rlyeh...

[Sombre]

No way is MA Oceania better. Atlantis has way, way, way better magic and can produce thugs pretty easily. It's also far more interesting imo.

They're both bottom tier though :]

[Squirrelloid]

Originally Posted by Sombre

No way is MA Oceania better. Atlantis has way, way, way better magic and can produce thugs pretty easily. It's also far more interesting imo.

They're both bottom tier though :]

I would have said that Oceania has better troops, and therefore a better early game. Thus it can diversify its magic via pretender easier, because it doesn't need its pretender for anything else.

[Burnsaber]

Sorry for being off-character, but there is a lot of things to get straight. It's easier if I write like a normal person.

First: We will go with 11 players. I put up Grivalja with Atlantis (because, IMHO, it's a lot better than MA Oceania + more starter friendly). I'll play Oceania (it will be a good handicap for me, since I'm more experienced than the other water players). We won't be using UWGIM, I'll take this experience as research for further UWGIM advances.

- I'll fix the "Divine Flail" bug. I'll make a complimation mod* (likely to be finished by Thursday) that will have bug fixed. Once I've made the mod and the map is ready, I'll put the game up to llamaserver.

*complimation mod is one huge mod that combines all of the mods in use in this game to one big mod.

[Warhammer]

Dang it, I got my monocle in a twist and didn't sign up for the game when I should have...