company of heroes

[Gandalf Parker]

Correct about the diff between seduce and charm.
It does increase overall effectiveness, but might not meet the exact needs of the Original Poster

[Rytek]

In a mp game, its kind of cheesey to gain the heroes so you can copy their special orders. So, if it is a mp game, so much easier just to kill em and loot their equipment.

[militarist]

it looks like the 2 main differences between hellbind and seduce - when you seduce you also have to go through moral check, and the second one - succubus has seduction 11(if wiki is right), which is better then usual spellcasting 10 check,but still doesn't compensate moral check.
As for amount of hellbinds with no penetration items, very simplified mathematics is 3-4 casts for MR 12 targets, 6 for MR 15 targets and 10 for MR 16 targets.

[chrispedersen]

yes, although the best way to accomplish this would be something like...

4 or more communion slaves, sabbath master with void eye, spell focus, and runesmasher.

so for the very small cost of 13 gems, after the communion and hellpower you'd be sitting at +8 penetration.

S.Master, Hellpower, Reinvig, Hellbindx2
Or hell, skip the reinvig and just script Smaster, helpower, hbhx3.

[militarist]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

yes, although the best way to accomplish this would be something like...

4 or more communion slaves, sabbath master with void eye, spell focus, and runesmasher.

so for the very small cost of 13 gems, after the communion and hellpower you'd be sitting at +8 penetration.

S.Master, Hellpower, Reinvig, Hellbindx2
Or hell, skip the reinvig and just script Smaster, helpower, hbhx3.

Second master can cast reinvig.