German OOB 16: minor corrections

[Pibwl]

I suspect, that someone connected with the Polish stuff decided, that it's worth to make more people acquainted with C7P, catching an advantage, that 1 or 2 photos are known with the German markings and there appeared nice plastic model with a German name http://www.rctrax.pl/product/mirage-...-1-75/?id=8871

I'm not suggesting, that it should be removed or replaced with Stalinets (which was used in much greater numbers, and there are known photos of it hauling German guns) - I just wanted to indicate a possible free slot in a crowded OOB.

Michal

[blazejos]

When was mentioned about free space in German OOB just tough that will be nice to have there

Sd.Kfz. 6/3 (7,62cm FK(r) auf 5t Zgkw)
often called Diana but looks like that is false marking

was used only in desert campaign and only 9 units was build first arrive to units in January 1942 and last was lost in November 1942
Vehicle has light armour 5mm around but nothing on roof. Gun was FK36(r) in standard version without any special AT capabilities with 100 piece of ammo.

Organisation of unit with some photos
http://www.oocities.org/firefly1002000/605.html

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by blazejos

When was mentioned about free space in German OOB just tough that will be nice to have there

Sd.Kfz. 6/3 (7,62cm FK(r) auf 5t Zgkw)
often called Diana but looks like that is false marking

Oh yes, I've found it missing as well. Jentz calls it SdKfz.6/3 and claims, that Diana was to be a name of an improved SP-gun. Some data: http://www.achtungpanzer.com/762cm-f...gen-sdkfz6.htm

[BigDuke66]

Well 9 vehicles, I guess somewhere a cut has to be made what comes in and what not.
But OK if we vehicle that doesn't seem to have been in action can be removed, a vehicle that did see action could be added.

[Mobhack]

With the severe lack of free unit slots in the German OOB, that 9 vehicle batch is rather unlikely to appear.

[DRG]

The SdKfz.6/3 will go in, the Stalinez is now in ( with a revised Icon ) and the C7 stays in. If we finally run out of space that's the way it goes. There is little point in hording unitslots as there is little left to add to that OOB that doesn't fall into the same category as the SdKfz.6/3 and once the OOB's full the question isn't " should this be added" but what should be removed to make room for the next unit someone thinks needs to be included.

Don

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

The SdKfz.6/3 will go in...

Good decision. These 9 vehicles with their long 76mm guns were an equivalent of a Nashorn company in conditions of the Western Desert

If something wasn't used in action, it was rather 968 sIG38/2 (t).

As for Stalinets - I only gave it as an example of something more widely used, than C7P, but of course it's your decision. The Germans called it Stalinez 65 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinez_65)

[BigDuke66]

I see 14 free slots in the OOB16, could they all be used or are some reserved for a special purpose?

[DRG]

They have been reserved for units that deserve to use up the final slots . I have resisted using them in case something really interesting was "discovered" but everything left seems to be like the Stalinez and the SdKfz.6/3

[zastava128]

Well there was a whole bunch of Italian tanks seized by the Germans after Italian surrender (currently there are only two such vehicles in the OOB). Some were used in Italy, others in the Balkans, and I've heard a few were even used in Poland. Most were deployed for anti-partisan duty.

However, while including these tanks may be correct from a "realism" standpoint (after all, the Germans employed over 700 of them, plus 200 or so armoured cars), the fact is that they can be represented by taking "allies" from spob04, leaving more room for "real" German vehicles.

A book on the subject was written by Daniele Guglielmi: Italian Armour in German Service 1943–1945 (2005, bilingual Italian/English)

Anyway, if you nonetheless want to add them, just say the word and I can provide the info on what types were used and in what numbers.