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Mephisto · #**301** June 26th, 2005, 04:08 PM

Uh, most Germans will know the SD for sure. Many Jews will. The Reichskristallnacht was mostly done by the SD, not the SS, if I'm not in error. Well, anyway, if you every want to publish in the German countries, SD will be a "nono" by law.

Starhawk · #**302** June 27th, 2005, 08:22 AM

Okay look I don't mean to sound harsh here but you folks are seriously going to have to get over SOME of this stuff, they are INITIALS this time totally unrelated to SS it's a coincidence that SD happened to also be a german "security" group.

All the good initials with SECURITY in it are already taken by SOMEBODY I can almost be sure of that so the German folks would have to get over looking up every set of initials going 'Where they someone evil?" or else nothing won't offend someone out there. lol and I am not making up yet another security agency just because of one letter

Also do me a favor and translate what the SS and SD's names mean in English because unless it stands for Security Division or State Security then I don't think there should be any cause for offense.

El_Phil · #**303** June 27th, 2005, 10:22 AM

First off there are loads of acronyms that aren't gone. Just of the top of my head 'Imperial Security Force' which not even acronymfinder can find something wrong with.

Next take if you will M.I.5 here in the UK. It isn't and never has been called M.I.5 and is in fact called The Security Service, hence SS as the short form. This is unacceptable so its M.I.5. Also how often is the yank Secret Service shortened to SS? nope its the United States Secret Service, so you get USSS.

In short while you may not have a problem with it lots of other people might. If you ever want to get anything published that's something you'll have to get used to.

Finally have you forgotten just a couple of months back the fuss on this very forum? Rest assured that using SS and SD will cause offence to someone and they will be vocal about it. You have no excuse not to pick a different acronym, so someone will read way too much into it. And as Mephisto points out some countries laws take a dim view of such things.

Starhawk · #**304** June 27th, 2005, 10:56 AM

My point is you are blowing things WAY the hell out of proportion it's a fictional universe an ALTERNATE universe to boot and I changed SS for the fact that you and others complained and actually the Secret Service is just called the Secret Service because it's not exactly hard to say "Secret Service" however "Federal Security Division" is a little cumbersome don't you think?

Also MI-5 you also have MI-6 and they are two seperate branches that are both related to intel so it fits

and actually it's "Her Majesty's Security Service" so it would be HMSS but you don't hear anyone calling it that do you?

Just like Her Majesty's Secret Service

Like I said I think you are just reading too much into it I seriously doubt any reader who has not been forwarned that I am changing SS to SD would read much into it. I mean hell the initials of a Super Dreadnought are SD do you want me to change those too?

And yes I remember the "Fuss" and I changed it because of that fuss I am not going to be giving myself headaches over the fact that you are unhappy with INITIALS THAT DON'T EVEN STAND for the same thing the German SD did

And like I said if you would please translate what SD and SS are short for in German (tell me what their names mean IN ENGLISH) are they even close to Security Division? Because if it is then I will change it.

Federal Security Division is a unique name as far as I am aware while "Imperial Security Force" is used a LOT in Sci-Fi or at least the initials ISF.

El_Phil · #**305** June 27th, 2005, 12:45 PM

No its not, your confusing the James bond film 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' where he works for the Secret Intelligence Service or M.I.6, because that was an millitary intelligence service founded by an Admiral. The Security Service was never such an organisation and so calling it a millitary intelligence service would be silly.

All of this is distracting us from your inabilty to come up with an acronym that hasn't been used by Nazis. Which people who know abit of history are going to spot and some will complain about. That was all I was saying. Stick with it, it won't bother me. But you did ask if there were any evil organisations called SD. There were.

Right SD is 'Sicherheitsdienst' which is 'Security Agency' while SS is Schutzstaffel 'Protection Squadron'. Or thats what the interweb and my memory of school history tell me. If anything SD is probably worse from your point of view, security division, security agency. Pretty similar....

Hunpecked · #**306** June 27th, 2005, 06:24 PM

Actually, the initials of the "Federal Security Division" are "FSD", not "SD", so there's no problem (unless of course the Nazis had a bureau known as "Fuhrer Sicherheitsdienst").

As for the unfortunately named Super Dreadnoughts (SD), I suggest redesignating the class as "Honkin' Big Mothers" or HBM. These initials may have problems of their own, but at least they shouldn't be Nazi-related.

douglas · #**307** June 27th, 2005, 06:44 PM

I don't think anyone's going to complain about SD when it's clearly short for Super Dreadnought. At least, I haven't heard anyone complaining about David Weber's use of it in the Honor Harringtion series.

Starhawk · #**308** June 28th, 2005, 04:46 AM

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Hunpecked said:
Actually, the initials of the "Federal Security Division" are "FSD", not "SD", so there's no problem (unless of course the Nazis had a bureau known as "Fuhrer Sicherheitsdienst").

As for the unfortunately named Super Dreadnoughts (SD), I suggest redesignating the class as "Honkin' Big Mothers" or HBM. These initials may have problems of their own, but at least they shouldn't be Nazi-related.

True FSD works and if I get one Russian in here pissing fire at me over the similarity to FSB then I am going to crack some heads!

El_Phil like I said I think your seriously overblowing things a bit afterall man I just read an Honor Harrington book where he refers to a "State Security" SS and no body beat him to death

but if anything now I'd change my SS also not to infringe on those copywright laws lol.

Schutzstaffel: Literally Protection Force or Defense Squad. This complex organization was at the heart of the German political and social revolution and later attempts to control nearly all aspects of German (and later European) life. The Schutzstaffel consisted of three main parts, the Allgemeine-SS, the SS-Totenkopfverb�nde and the Waffen-SS. The well known image of this organization was its abreviation, the double SS.

A brief bit about the SS the SD was in fact a "part" of the SS apparently so yeah I WILL stick with FSD but seriously guys some initials just match up like I said I never heard of the SD until I googled it after you guys complained.

And like I said if oyu have any problems with FSD get over it

because I am damn well NOT changing that too hehe

douglas · #**309** June 28th, 2005, 08:04 AM

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Starhawk said:
El_Phil like I said I think your seriously overblowing things a bit afterall man I just read an Honor Harrington book where he refers to a "State Security" SS and no body beat him to death

but if anything now I'd change my SS also not to infringe on those copywright laws lol.

Ah, but in that particular case the SS in question is an undisputably "bad guy" organization. No one's going to get in trouble for casting the SS in a bad light.

Starhawk · #**310** June 28th, 2005, 08:06 AM

True but anyway yeah I'll change it to FSD from now on or FS if there are other real organizations with these initials I can't find them and the only thing close is the Russian FSB (modern KGB just as bud but half the budget) and that's far enough off that it shouldn't be a problem.