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Old September 16th, 2003, 09:04 PM
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Here in sweden it's still legal to download music from the net, to burn those on a cd and to give them to your friends, as long as there is no commercial gain.
But it's not legal to share the songs on the internet, to upload them to a server or by sharing them through p2p, only downloading and posession is legal.
There was some discussion about if this was legal or not some time ago so one of our ministers downloaded some songs, burned them to cd and gave to a friend and filed a report to the police about it, the prosecutors did an investigation and came to the conclusion that there was no law against it. (Not the same minister that was killed a week ago (Anna Lind) but another one (Margot Wallström)).

The same goes for movies but not for software, downloading software is illegal.

The law will propably change soon to include movies but music will propably not be included.

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Old September 17th, 2003, 04:35 AM

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Artists are starting to speak up:

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...77730564461625

They don't like the suits either, and they know very well this lawsuit bull**** is not for their benefit.

And Orson Scott Card, a fairly prominent Scifi/fantasy author, also knows what copyright is really about:

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html
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Old September 17th, 2003, 08:36 AM
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Strike one against RIAA:

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/p...YT01/309160363
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Old September 17th, 2003, 09:35 AM
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it doesn't matter if it's the wave of the future, it doesn't matter if it'd be hard to stop, it doesn't matter if the recording companies are engaging in unjust business practices, piracy is piracy and another's actions do not justify your own.

i know i normally don't take a serious stance like this, but it seems like there's to much justification going on.
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Old September 17th, 2003, 12:21 PM
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one of our ministers downloaded some songs, burned them to cd and gave to
Wow... most of our ministers don't even know what a computer is, let alone know how to download a bunch of crap and burn it to cd. Doesn't stop them passing laws on technical matters though. That's half the problem- in the absence of knowledge, policy-makers rely on ppl with vested interests (ie the music companies) to explain things to them and shape the law.

Narf: I think if a law is unjust then there is no shame in breaking it. This whole "intellectual property" gig is unjust, and if we all just drop our troUsers and bend over for the sake of law and order then there will be nothing to stop big biz getting what it wants: every idea on the planet up for ransom.
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Old September 17th, 2003, 03:44 PM

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Blame Canada

A desperate American recording industry is waging a fierce fight against digital copyright infringement seemingly oblivious to the fact that, for practical purposes, it lost the digital music sharing fight over five years ago. In Canada.



"On March 19, 1998, Part VIII of the (Canadian) Copyright Act dealing with private copying came into force. Until that time, copying any sound recording for almost any purpose infringed copyright, although, in practice, the prohibition was largely unenforceable. The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). In addition, the amendment made provision for the imposition of a levy on blank audio recording media to compensate authors, performers and makers who own copyright in eligible sound recordings being copied for private use."

-- Copyright Board of Canada: Fact Sheet: Private Copying 1999-2000 Decision



The Copyright Board of Canada administers the Copyright Act and sets the amount of the levies on blank recording media and determines which media will have levies imposed. Five years ago this seemed like a pretty good deal for the music industry: $0.77 CDN for a blank CD and .29 a blank tape, whether used for recording music or not. Found money for the music moguls who had been pretty disturbed that some of their product was being burned onto CDs. To date over 70 million dollars has been collected through the levy and there is a good possibility the levy will be raised and extended to MP3 players, flash memory cards and recordable DVDs sometime in 2003.



While hardware vendors whine about the levy, consumers seem fairly indifferent. Why? Arguably because the levy is fairly invisible - just another tax in an overtaxed country. And because it makes copying music legal in Canada.



A year before Shawn Fanning invented Napster, these amendments to Canada's Copyright Act were passed with earnest lobbying from the music business. The amendments were really about home taping. The rather cumbersome process of ripping a CD and then burning a copy was included as afterthought to deal with this acme of the digital revolution. The drafters and the music industry lobbyists never imagined full-on P2P access.



As the RIAA wages its increasingly desperate campaign of litigation in terrorum to try to take down the largest American file sharers on the various P2P networks, it seems to be utterly unaware of the radically different status of private copying in Canada.



This is a fatal oversight, because P2P networks are international. While the Digital Millennium Copyright Act may make it illegal to share copyright material in America, the Canadian Copyright Act expressly allows exactly the sort of copying which is at the base of the P2P revolution.



In fact, you could not have designed a law which more perfectly captures the peer to peer process. "Private copying" is a term of art in the Act. In Canada, if I own a CD and you borrow it and make a copy of it that is legal private copying; however, if I make you a copy of that same CD and give it to you that would be infringement. Odd, but ideal for protecting file sharers.



Every song on my hard drive comes from a CD in my collection or from a CD in someone else's collection which I have found on a P2P network. In either case I will have made the copy and will claim safe harbor under the "private copying" provision. If you find that song in my shared folder and make a copy this will also be "private copying." I have not made you a copy, rather you have downloaded the song yourself.



The premise of the RIAA's litigation is to go after the "supernodes," the people who have thousands, even tens of thousands of songs on their drives and whose big bandwidth allows massive sharing. The music biz has had some success bringing infringement claims under the DMCA. Critically, that success and the success of the current campaign hinges on it being a violation of the law to "share" music. At this point, in the United States, that is a legally contested question and that contest may take several years to fully play out in the Courts.



RIAA spokesperson Amanda Collins seemed unaware of the situation in Canada. "Our goal is deterrence. We are focused on uploaders in the US. Filing lawsuits against individuals making files available in the US."



Which will be a colossal waste of time because in Canada it is expressly legal to share music. If the RIAA were to somehow succeed in shutting down every "supernode" in America all this would do is transfer the traffic to the millions of file sharers in Canada. And, as 50% of Canadians on the net have broadband (as compared to 20% of Americans) Canadian file sharers are likely to be able to meet the demand.



The Canada Hole in the RIAA's strategic thinking is not likely to close. While Canadians are not very keen about seeing the copyright levy extended to other media or increased, there is not much political traction in the issue. There is no political interest at all in revisiting the Copyright Act. Any lobbying attempt by the RIAA to change the copyright rules in Canada would be met with a howl of anger from nationalist Canadians who are not willing to further reduce Canada's sovereignty. (These folks are still trying to get over NAFTA.)



Nor are there any plausible technical fixes short of banning any connections from American internet Users to servers located in Canada.



As the RIAA's "sue your customer" campaign begins to run into stiffening opposition and serious procedural obstacles it may be time to think about a "Plan B". A small levy on storage media, say a penny a megabyte, would be more lucrative than trying to extract 60 million dollars from a music obsessed, file sharing, thirteen year-old.



If American consumers objected -- well, the music biz could always follow Southpark's lead and burst into a chorus of "Blame Canada". Hey, we can take it....We'll even lend you Anne Murray.



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Old September 17th, 2003, 03:46 PM
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From one of the articles linked to by the Baron :

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Many of the musicians pointed to the iTunes Store recently opened by Apple Computers that sells individual songs for 99 cents apiece to downloaders. [Several artists] all endorsed the officially licensed site -- run, significantly, by a computer company, not a record label.
Heh, heh. Basically, Apple is telling the recording industry, "Wake up... you're obsolete". They still have time to catch the direct-download boat, but they'll probably stick to their stupid lawsuits and miss it entirely.
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Old September 17th, 2003, 04:42 PM
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I should have encluded a poll in this thread. Hindsight is always 20/20.
But what kind of Poll? A Flag Poll? A Telephone Poll? A North Poll, or were you refering to a Poll(ish) person?

This post 'Includes Humor', but one man's humor is another man's tumor.

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Old September 17th, 2003, 04:58 PM
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The Copyright Board of Canada administers the Copyright Act and sets the amount of the levies on blank recording media and determines which media will have levies imposed. Five years ago this seemed like a pretty good deal for the music industry: $0.77 CDN for a blank CD and .29 a blank tape, whether used for recording music or not. Found money for the music moguls who had been pretty disturbed that some of their product was being burned onto CDs. To date over 70 million dollars has been collected through the levy and there is a good possibility the levy will be raised and extended to MP3 players, flash memory cards and recordable DVDs sometime in 2003.
Hehehe I'd forgotten they did this. How nice for the music industry that I pay them for all the CD Roms I buy that are used exclusivly for backing up data and giving out large files to our clients. Of course no doubt the music industry is handing all those profits back to the artists.
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problem with apple is that if you download it in the usa you can only use it in the usa. Your not allowed to take the music out of the country

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http://www.theonion.com/3936/top_story.html

This hit close to home. A little too close
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