obat66 Sweden

[Backis]

Pergite said:


Wow, this really looks researched.
The new 40mm A/C sound is rather nice(8 rounds of destruction)

I know its a bit much...

I see that you have included alot of imaginary equipment as well, like a future tracked vehicle but isnt the CV90 chassi enough?

That is the Alvis Hägglunds SEP, and procurement plans for 2010 exists for this platform. Of course the project might very well be terminated, but it hasn't been so far.

CV90 is a very good chassi, but its expensive. The SEP is intended to supplant the "specialist" roles in a more cost effective manner, and also allow us to replace the MT-LB and Patria APC's, which will be worn out by then.

For the OOB, I chose to "assume" replacements will take place.

We got a pbv401 and 501, so I just assigned 601 to the SEP)

And what plattform is the HKP17 based on? Tiger? Anyway, its good to plan ahead for better days

There is a "possibility" that a gunship will be acquired around 2010, even though it is small. It depends a bit on how "Luftburna Bataljonen" develops. Note that its "turned off" right now (nationality 0).

Oh, and its the Mangusta 129 CBT.

I chose between three platforms; Tiger (new and "European"), Roivalk (counter trade for the Gripen deal) and Mangusta A129 CBT (somewhat compatible with the NH.90, they can use the same engines and share some avionics equipment).

I rolled dice (I really did : ) and ended up with the Mangusta CBT, and upgraded it to "2010" standards (new-gen FLIR and so on).

The Archer model really looks as beautiful as in real life.

Yeah, now I just need an icon for it.

Its pretty amazing what you can find in the picture bank in this game, to bad so few update the obat picture references... there's good stuff in there!

And how do the different radars work? Are they some kind of all seeing FO:s?

Yes, essentially the GSR's just get a whopper (50-80 depending on system) of a vision rating. I haven't playtested them enough yet to decide if I want the final version to include this... but at least ARTHUR (on various mounts) needs to be represented IMHO.

Right now I slightly lean towards removing all except ARTHUR (they're more of rear area assets, so...), but then again ArtE would be nice to have available for designed coastal scenarios...

Did you have a problem with the utility vehicles, or what do you currently need help with?

Not at all, I am just tranferring them from older version obat's at the moment, its a work in progress as I said.

I'm up to speed fixing the units per se, and might be done with this inside next week (barring burnout), so what "I need" would mainly be regarding the formations and OOB-hunting.

Of course bughunting and criticism always helps a lot and would be appreciated. I bet I got a couple if "spelling errors" in there... just after sending the obat I noticed that a lot of the MG support units had a ROF of 0...

I really like the red colour they use showing database error now.

It would be nice if we could ferret out an Icon maker btw (122 mineplow, AMOS and engineer CV90, Archer, CB90HS/E, Strb Ny, Arholma MS and so on...).

haven't really gone through this version of icos though, so I might find things in there...

[Pergite]

I know about the SEP, but had totally forgotten that they where looking at a tracked version as well. I have always regarded the SEP as a replacement for Patg203 ("Det stora finska mongot"), that his just as beloved as the MB Sprint .


Didnt you have an icon for the Archer in your OBAT? The SSG120 has already a nice icon in the new version so that work is done.

Anyway, I will try to dig up some OOB:s for different units so we can create formations.

[Backis]

Pergite said:
I know about the SEP, but had totally forgotten that they where looking at a tracked version as well. I have always regarded the SEP as a replacement for Patg203 ("Det stora finska mongot"), that his just as beloved as the MB Sprint .

We kinda shot ourselves in the foot demanding the heaviest armour package while at the same time thinking civilian bus axles would be good enough...

Wise men say; You can drive her in difficult terrain. ONCE!

D'OH!

Either getting more interim second hand 185's or holding out for the AMV had been better.

If we'd gotten the AMV we could probably be certain about forgetting the SEP though...

Pergite said:
Didnt you have an icon for the Archer in your OBAT? The SSG120 has already a nice icon in the new version so that work is done.

Nah, I just used the Zuzanna/Dana icon (the Frenchie porté is just to small... Archer is pretty big.

And thanks for the heads-up on the SSG! I'd missed it because 433 and 434 use the plain CV90 icon... to much hurry installing my own crap I guess...

I love the backup obat folders tho.

Pergite said:
Anyway, I will try to dig up some OOB:s for different units so we can create formations.

Kewl!

I've been spending to much time arguing here so far anyway, better get back to work.

[Pergite]

Backis said:
Nah, I just used the Zuzanna/Dana icon (the Frenchie porté is just to small... Archer is pretty big.

I had the privilege to climb around in one in Karlskoga some time ago. Its really a monster, and looks more like a spaceship than a artillery system. It has six onboard computers, how about that?

Regarding the OOB:s, I have the current army (at least the fighing part) organization under control. I follow the offical publications stating what a certain formation includes. Each unit however conducts their own "tests" regularly to see what functions and what does not, but I will go by the books on this one. The latest (pansarskyste) organization listed in SP is 98, today I guess 02 is correct

I dont know how deep we will want to run with the formrations. The game is a about combat, so is there any real need for "Tung kabelgrupp" or "Stridsvagnstransport"?

Anyway, I will go offline for about two weeks soon and go to the Med and spend some time with Mr San Miguel. Wont do much use for the Swedish OOB then, but I will be back !

[Backis]

Have a nice holiday P.

"Kabeltattare" and other "löst folk" would only be a couple of aux infantry sections and a couple of trucks which could be bought easily enough anyway.

Not sure how we will simulate writing "Helicopter" on the side of the trucks and its implications for crossing blown bridges though...

We can just represent the TT's as in the other obat's. If anyone wants the support people, again you can just buy a couple of sections of aux inf, alternatively engineers and trucks or CEV's.

[serg3d]

Bill-2 listed as multi-charge ATGM. But isn't it top-attack ?
The same with Indian Nag ATGM - listed as multi-charge...

[Backis]

Well, it does have a precursor charge...

No BILL version is supposed to be used in a direct attack profile against armour, but there its an option for use against soft targets such as trucks or semi-hardened types like buildings.

Irrelevant in this case though... it should be TA, nothing else.

[JohnT]

Backis said:
Well, it does have a precursor charge...

Irrelevant in this case though... it should be TA, nothing else.

Only IF the game had supported multi-Charge- Top attack.

Making it top-attack will reduce the effectiveness against ERA,

pick one representation of reality


Cheers
/John T.

[JaM]

I think that all Top attack ATGMs are stated as multicharge in game

[Backis]

Making it a "dual warhead" will greatly reduce its effectiveness for frontal shots against ALL targets, especially unless you fuddle the penetration values and turn it into "Super-ATGM"...

And even if we gave it fantasy values (lets say 200 to circumvent frontal HEAT protection on a MBT) high-angle induced attacks would still be defeated by armour in a way it wouldn't against a TA attack...

Nope, I'd set it as TA nad continue to ***** for either a new weapon type (TA DW) or to let all TA weapons use the DW characteristic as per default (how many non-DW TA's are there out there?).

JaM wrote
I think that all Top attack ATGMs are stated as multicharge in game

Quick check in the US OOB

TOW-2=top attack
TOW-2B=top attack
Javelin=top attack

So I'm thinking not really.