How is LA R'yleh overpowered? - Page 4

thejeff · #31 October 15th, 2009, 01:00 PM

You run a negative income/upkeep balance faster, but since you're population is a dying anyway your order income still drops to nothing and the luck income does not drop off. It doesn't scale with nation size though.
Running order with a popkill dominion seems counterproductive.

Order/Luck is just as good as Turmoil/Luck, if you ignore the extra 240 pts it costs.

Zeldor · #32 October 15th, 2009, 01:39 PM

And get dominion into 50+ provs to make it work

Redeyes · #33 October 15th, 2009, 02:52 PM

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Order/Luck is just as good as Turmoil/Luck, if you ignore the extra 240 pts it costs.

I should have said "it's a lot better" 50% higher income...
I didn't intend to say that it's the better choice for R'lyeh, but Luck+Order can have good payoff with many other nations. The choice shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

P3D · #34 October 15th, 2009, 07:38 PM

Of course, the power of R'lyeh depends on the availability of clams in the actual mod played. R'lyeh should not have problems casting Maelstrom, for example.

Itchykobu · #35 November 19th, 2009, 09:19 PM

I'm a little late to the discussion here, as the last post to this topic was about a month ago, but a friend and I were just having a discussion to this same end. It would be nice if there was at least an item that could prevent insanity, if not cure it. I jokingly suggested the "tinfoil hat", which earth mages could produce. The insanity affect of the LA R'lyeh dominion is horribly rough to fight.

Squirrelloid · #36 November 20th, 2009, 05:28 AM

Don't fight the insanity, embrace it.

More seriously, don't fight the insanity, domkill Rlyeh. it worked for me =)

Kuritza · #37 November 20th, 2009, 05:49 AM

Domkill Rlyeh?

Eh... looks like Squirreloid spent too much time in Rlyeh's domain.

Against an unprepared and unexperienced player it might work, but if Rlyeh knows what he is doing, trying to domkill is futile.
Overall, I'd say that LA Rlyeh is one of the hardest nations to fight against. He may not be so powerful in offensive as before, but still hard as hell.

Not to mention the damn Dreams of Rlyeh...

Squirrelloid · #38 November 20th, 2009, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuritza

Domkill Rlyeh?

Eh... looks like Squirreloid spent too much time in Rlyeh's domain.

Against an unprepared and unexperienced player it might work, but if Rlyeh knows what he is doing, trying to domkill is futile.
Overall, I'd say that LA Rlyeh is one of the hardest nations to fight against. He may not be so powerful in offensive as before, but still hard as hell.

Not to mention the damn Dreams of Rlyeh...

To be fair, I was playing a dom10 pretender with a blood sac nation and H3 priests. 5 H3 priests with jade daggers blood saccing every turn generates 25 100% temple checks. That's an impressive amount of dompush. But you have to know you want to do it when you design your pretender =)

Kuritza · #39 November 20th, 2009, 06:23 AM

I have seen that trick performed by MA Abyssia. When I have noticed that half my lands have many red candles in them, I've started recruiting priests and preaching my own dominion in my own temples, so domkill failed despite my meager Dominion 6. This is one of the reasons I dont believe in domkills anymore.
But of course, I had many provinces; with a smaller nation, one might notice too late.

chrispedersen · #40 November 20th, 2009, 10:05 AM

Domkills can still work or still be a valuable tool.
At the very least by causing your opponent to divert money and resources away from military and research.