How many heroes?

[thejeff]

No, not really.

It's great for a lot of things, but it's hardly comprehensive on heroes.

If I was going to try to create one, I'd start with those heroes, but I wouldn't know where to go after that, other than just running lots of test turns, which is neither efficient or conclusive.

[Gandalf Parker]

Ive gotten the impression here that they want 2 complete and accurate lists.
WorthyHeroes Mod, and Vanilla.

[thejeff]

Well, given a Vanilla list, the Worthy Heroes one would be easy to come up with. Just add/remove based on the mod changes.
You could probably work that backwards too.

[Edi]

The list of heroes in the DB is most definitely not complete in the nations section, but if you look up the various heroes in the AllUnits tab, it more often than not lists the nations that have them. However, that's not complete either.

I think Xietor had done a fairly thorough listing of which nation got what when he was working on his Throne of Heroes mod.

I can try to complete the DB heroes listing, but if someone else already has a full list, I'd prefer that option, since there's not a whole lot of else that needs doing on the DB.

[Adept]

The reason I asked in the first place is that the worthiness of the luck scale is somewhat dependant on the heroes a nation has. I'd been under the impression that nations had ~3 heroes with the exceptions being things like multiheroes. This is from the days of the original Dominions already.

I realised there was a lot of disagreement on this, and I're really like to know the truth. What doesn't help is speculation and subjective experience. Either you know of you don't. I don't.

[vfb]

Originally Posted by Adept

The reason I asked in the first place is that the worthiness of the luck scale is somewhat dependant on the heroes a nation has. I'd been under the impression that nations had ~3 heroes with the exceptions being things like multiheroes. This is from the days of the original Dominions already.

I realised there was a lot of disagreement on this, and I're really like to know the truth. What doesn't help is speculation and subjective experience. Either you know of you don't. I don't.

The RNG in Dominions knows whether you are in an MP game and actually need the heroes. If this is the case, and you take luck-3 with the intention of getting the heroes, you won't get them. This is a fact.

But in the other game, where you took misfortune-2, you will get an awesome hero with 9 magic paths, that you don't really need because all your national mages get those paths anyway.

[Foodstamp]

Originally Posted by Adept

The reason I asked in the first place is that the worthiness of the luck scale is somewhat dependant on the heroes a nation has. I'd been under the impression that nations had ~3 heroes with the exceptions being things like multiheroes. This is from the days of the original Dominions already.

I realised there was a lot of disagreement on this, and I're really like to know the truth. What doesn't help is speculation and subjective experience. Either you know of you don't. I don't.

It wasn't a tantrum. That is the document, finish it up instead of creating a new one.

For clarity. I mean let's keep it consolidated in Edi's database.

[Sombre]

We do know. Not every nation has 3 heroes. Several have less. This isn't speculation. EA Oceania has 0 heroes. FACT.

The issue is only that you refuse to believe this without an exact list of every hero and the way they map onto nations. That isn't something people have to hand, but it doesn't mean they don't know the answer to the 'do all nations have 3 heroes?' question.

[Squirrelloid]

Isn't there a mod that gives your nation all the heroes (including WH mod)? Wouldn't that make creating a list rather easy? Or am I confused?

Edit: Correction, it may not have WH heroes. I'd have to go look.

[thejeff]

There's an AllUnits mod (map?), but I don't think that it distinguishes between heroes and other units.