OT: Starship size comparisons 1 pixel per meter

[Gwaihir]

I stand corrected. Thank you very much, good stuff to know. I really like how detailed the site's analysis is. I saw a similar one a while back debunking a myth about the death star. (and another one discussing how the second death star's explosion would have destroyed Endor's ecology - either from fallout or from fall-on (big chunks landing as meteorite strikes - no matter how generously you estimate it, there would be enough of them for nuclear winter (i think that's the gist of it) ) It was very detailed, got all the technical stuff covered, and was fun to read.

[Andrés]

But Gwaihir, we know there was not an ecological disaster in Endor. Ok, it’s not strictly cannon, since in starwars that’s only the movies and novelizations of the movies are cannon (anyway any starwars official material is far better than what trekkies call cannon), but the planet was visited many times later and the Ewoks were still living happily in their tree villages.
That discussion is wrong from the beginning. It should be why wasn’t there a disaster... maybe the Alliance managed to repair the planetary shields after the battle, maybe the gravity of the “controversial” gas giant “Endor” or “Tana”, the one “Sanctuary Moon” or “Forest Moon of Endor” is or was supposed to orbit deviated all debries.

Aloofi, tonnage would only be equivalent to length if ships had a constant section and a tonnage of 1 kt per linear meter. The resulting ships would be a few meters in width and height, constant for all ships but hundreds of meters in length.
So SE4 ships are small when compared with sci-fi mainstream.
Many Trek and B5 ships have their tonnage listed in their stats. Compare them with SE4 tonnages for further reference.

A fast approximation to include SE4 ships in those charts would be that 36x36 mini pictures are close to the 1 pixel = 10m scale.

Here you have my spreadsheet to check my math and play with the values.

I also made this shipset, the Box based on the measures from the spreadsheet.
The interesting thing is that I didn’t resize anything so all ships are in the same scale (even in the fleet/group pictures). I even used an orthographic projection instead of perspective to better preserve scaling.

[Gwaihir]

Correct, according to canon there was no ecological disaster. The site was different in that it agrued against the canon, based on a very wide variety of canon facts - basically, everything in the canon suggests that there should have been a disaster, except for the direct evidence that there wasn't - all the technology, all the visual evidence from the movies, and all of the known stats point to a necessary disaster.

The shield idea is neat, but a bit iffy - it was designed to go up and encircle the battle station, i believe guided at least in part by mechanisms on the station itself, and changing it to a flat planet-covering condition would have been pretty tough, especially since a lot of impacts would have come pretty rapidly after the explosion (bits aimed directly at the planet).

Hrm, wait, was the big hole oriented planetward? that would definitely help, then the might have been caught by the odd greavitational fields of the planet (which is mentioned as having odd gravitational effects that make hyperspace travel through the region messy, one reason it was picked as a secret location to construct the DS2.)

AFAIK, and as far as the pretty extensive research this fellow carried out states, there is no canon explanation of how Endor survived, it just *did.* I hate pointing out flaws in Star Wars, I'm a big fan, but that to me seems to be one. (at least there was no "big red button" on DS2 like there was on DS1, although among other big red buttons, a heavily shielded, turbolaser protected exhaust shaft is very reasonable)

Hrm, DS1, DS2 . . . DS9?? Makes you wonder, eh?

[Aloofi]

Yeah, but in SE4 the tonnage is in kilotons, not plain tons.
So that means that an unmodded Cruiser have 500 000 tonns.
Couldn't it be 500 meters long?

[Aloofi]

Hey, it seems like the part of the DS2 aiming to Endor is the one not yet finished, so in that case the bLast would send the debris away from Endor.

[Aloofi]

After reading all that stuff about the Executor it seems like a huge waste of resources.

[dogscoff]

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

Here's the Endor link. I don't think you can argue against this kind of research Andres, but if you want to try I'll be listening with interest.

[Aloofi]

Is it there a direct fire weapon in SE4 that can replicate the Death Star's superlaser?
Can a direct fire weapon be given the "destroy small planet"?

[Suicide Junkie]

Sure, but you can't fire it and blow up a planet during combat

A core-mount Wave-Motion-Gun on a battlemoon replicates the effect fairly well, except it just glasses the planet with 13,000 damage instead of turning it into asteroids.

[Aloofi]

Sorry I ask this. I have never used Stellar Manipulation (too fantastic for my taste) and I was wondering how that worked in the case of destroying a planet.
Let's say I build a mobile starbase with a Doomsday BLaster, what do I do then?
Do I drive the thing to the enemy planet?
Can i fire from a sector away?
If I get to the same sector of the planet, wouldn't the planet's defenses fire on my baby?
Do I have to survive the 30 turns of combat, and then after combat fire the main gun?

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