more scary stuff

[rextorres]

Coincidently the EPA calls it a myth too.

http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/science/volcano.html

Unfortunately too many people read Rush (a "political" pundit who has taken the lead on this issue and made the myth popular) and take his word at face value as if he were some authority.

BTW: If you were to read Fyron's "proofs" they suggest that Volcanic Eruptions ADD to the depletion NOT that they cause it.

[Fyron]

Leave it to Rex to distort a non-political conversation to politics. I could really care less what Rush Limbaugh says, and you have been a much greater source of knowledge about his viewpoints today than I have ever had in the past.

Volcanic eruptions and the amount of pollutants they spew out are no myth. Stating that humanity's actions are the sole cause of the hole in the ozone layer is a myth. As I stated before, they are a contributing factor, but not _the_ (as in, singular, most contributing) cause of it.

BTW: If you were to read Fyron's "proofs" they suggest that Volcanic Eruptions ADD to the depletion NOT that they cause it.

What proofs? I provided no proofs. Supporting evidence maybe, but certainly not proofs. And that certainly is a biased reading of them.

[ February 13, 2004, 02:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[rextorres]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
we just did not cause the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica. That was caused by massive volcanic eruptions.

That's the myth! That's what you wrote. You are wrong.

The Volcano Myth certainly is political because it has been used exstensively by political pundits - if not you - to discredit environmentalists and confuse the issues.

Anyway - as I said - I think the whole issue is moot because climate change will happen regardless of what we do.

[ February 13, 2004, 03:33: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

The Volcano Myth certainly is political because it has been used exstensively by political pundits - if not you - to discredit environmentalists and confuse the issues.

bias.

[Fyron]

Yes and the myths about how devasting we are to the ozone have been overused by political pundits to discredit the other side. What is your point? I was not talking of anything political, merely of fact. Just because various facts have been distorted by one side or the other to push their political agenda does not mean the facts themselves have anything to do with politics. Nearly any fact you can think of has been abused by a politian at one point or another. That does not make it political. You are the one that brought politics into this. Leaving them out of discussions is always for the best.

[rextorres]

That volcanoes cause ozone depletion may not be a political issue but if one were to believe the opposite that it was caused soley or in part by humans then getting to a solution - to ozone depletion - would have to be political by the nature of the cause.

Unfortunately the volcano myth confuses the argument because all of a sudden the debate shifts in enough people's minds from how to fix the ozone to does the ozone need fixing.

Anyway ozone depletion by Volcanos is not a fact as you keep stating it's a theory.

[ February 13, 2004, 04:47: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Phoenix-D]

Originally posted by rextorres:

Anyway ozone depletion by Volcanos is not a fact as you keep stating it's a theory.

Foul, back 30 yards please. Please cite your source when you call something a theory so I know if you mean its unproved or if it has actually been supported, because different areas use the term entirely different.

/this has been a test of the pet peeve alarm. If this had been- oh, sorry, it was. Carry on.

[Roanon]

Originally posted by rextorres:
Anyway ozone depletion by Volcanos is not a fact as you keep stating it's a theory.

It's not even a theory. It's most certainly plain wrong. One link has been provided. Doesn't make sense to list more. This is probably another area where you will not be able to counter myths, believes, and/or ideology with something as dull as facts.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

so, all that massive smoke billowing out of a volcanic eruption has no effect on the ozone? provide more than your opinion, please. Fyron did provide links.

[Roanon]

Rextorres provided a link with specific information and explanation about why volcano eruptions do not interact with the ozon layer in a significant way. Fyron's links contained "informations" like "it is a well known fact that volcanic eruptions interact with the ozone layer..:" - I stopped reading there. A myth repeated by a lot of people does not become a "well known fact". Scientific essays on a similar level have begun with "it is a well known fact that the earth is flat and the center of the universe..."
But, as I said, someone clinging to his myth or believe will take this sentence as 100% scientific proof and will ignore anything else. This happens very often: people first make up their minds about what they want to believe, and then search for facts (or "facts") supporting it and ignore anything else. Unfortunately, some of them even publish a book (or an internet article) and claim knowing it all because they have done "extensive research"...
The scientific approach is to first collect as much facts as possible, check for possible faults and errors, and then make a theory. And if some facts do not fit into the theory, it is probably the theory and not the facts that are wrong. Therefore, I'm not saying "this and that causes the ozone hole and it will develop like this" - I'm just sure that a few volcanic eruptions within the Last years didn't cause anything like that. Volcanoes have erupted since the formation of the earth, more and heavier when earth was younger, and I'm too missing an explanation why they should cause significant ozone holes only in our century.