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Old March 17th, 2009, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: The game unnamed: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

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How about Magellan, in honour of the first global circumnavigation? The winner of this game will prove that the Dominions world is a sphere!
Brilliant! I think we have a winner!
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Old March 17th, 2009, 10:59 PM
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Default Re: The game unnamed: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

Sounds like a winner to me!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ya know he died tho before he got back home) Hope thats not a baaaaad omen for the person who names the game...
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

Hi cleveland and peoples

Just letting you know i'm Zapmeister's friend playing Agatha and have had my account activated.

Looking forward to this game!
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

and 68% of people believe them
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Old March 18th, 2009, 06:03 AM
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

And then there are *lots* of people who do not understand probabilities, chance or statistics at all Statistics are one thing, probabilities are another thing, and it looks like at least Dragar and chrispedersen have some issues understanding the difference You might want to pick up your maths books again

*If* (notice the word if, it is there for a reason ) something would be presumed to have a 99% chance to happen, then there is 21.4% (ie 1-(.99^24)x100%) chance that at least one in twenty-four would fail. Statistics could then be used afterwards to prove the assumption to be correct or false (within the limits of statistical means, of course ).
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

... Or they could just be trying to make a joke. I think you need to ease up on them about 80% more. I don't know if you're a math teacher or not but this is a *game*. You may as well leave your textbooks in the classroom for all the good they'll do you here.

No offense meant of course.
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

Emperical evidence suggests that no statistically significant difference exists between my odds of winning here and my odds of winning in Atlantic City.
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Heh, this is getting funyn Always interesting how people fail to understand basic chance calculation Just for the record, I am not a mathematician, I am a pharmacist, but that hasn't stopped me from being able to figure out how to calculate probabilities; probabilities are after all quite simple if you think about for more than three seconds

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... Or they could just be trying to make a joke. I think you need to ease up on them about 80% more. I don't know if you're a math teacher or not but this is a *game*. You may as well leave your textbooks in the classroom for all the good they'll do you here.

No offense meant of course.
Heh mate It never did cross your mind that my above post per chance (sic) was a joke? All those smilies might have been a give away, you know Perhaps *you* should lighten up a bit, and not believe everybody are dead serious all the time; it is after all about a *game* Still, when people talk about bananas and somebody walks in and trumps the discussion with "But apples are always red!", it does leave one a bit baffled.

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there is a large and one would think inherently false assumption in the derivation of there being a 79% chance of someone not showing up - it assumes the actions of all participants are independent
The joke here is that nobody claimed a 79% chance of *somebody* not showing up. You *are* actually missing the point, are you not?

The point, I believe, was that it is practically 99% certain each individual will show up. You know, one might get run over by a car, the computer might fry, etc. Nobody can be 100% sure they will even wake up tomorrow. The ~79% chance thus derivated has no hard evidence behind it, but it is based on the fact that nothing is certain in life; lets give the unforseen a 1% chance. As a matter of fact, in human sciences it is customary to give that 1% chance for unforeseen phukk-ups per individual, because life has proven it *is* true: There is always about 1% chance something phukks up in an unforeseen way when you are dealing with humans

Thus the derived 21% (which I still think is a very clever gig from Cleveland, my hat is off in respect!) chance is not the chance that *one* player fails to appear (as you seem to be believe), it is the chance that one *or more* players wouldn't make it. It would be very bold indeed to assume people who sign up to not make it in 79% of the cases; in fact, if that was true, basically no MP games ever would launch


It would be interesting to calculate the chance for one or more people failing to comprehend this post and getting angry. But given human nature, it is practically guaranteed somebody will not understand and get angry I believe I have now pissed off enough people (always a smart move to piss off people right before you start a game where diplomatic skills are needed... ).


To Incabulous: If you want a better than 50% chance the answer is 23
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... Or they could just be trying to make a joke. I think you need to ease up on them about 80% more. I don't know if you're a math teacher or not but this is a *game*. You may as well leave your textbooks in the classroom for all the good they'll do you here.

No offense meant of course.
Heh mate It never did cross your mind that my above post per chance (sic) was a joke? All those smilies might have been a give away, you know Perhaps *you* should lighten up a bit, and not believe everybody are dead serious all the time; it is after all about a *game* Still, when people talk about bananas and somebody walks in and trumps the discussion with "But apples are always red!", it does leave one a bit baffled.

No offense meant, of course
Never once did cross my mind. Dang, now I feel like an idiot. To me it just sounded like you were making fun of them.
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Default Re: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, starts March 21st!

While I have to admit that it is a while since I completed my finance and engineering studies, and haven't picked up a maths textbook in quite some years, I have undertaken a fair amount of risk analysis in the past few years, performing reliability and availability modelling for offshore gas facilities. While it is true that probability and statitics aren't the same thing, per se, they are very closely linked. The 79% chance is a probability*, and 80% of all statistics being made up says that there is an 80% chance that any average individual statistical measure has been made up. Very much the same thing

* there is a large and one would think inherently false assumption in the derivation of there being a 79% chance of someone not showing up - it assumes the actions of all participants are independent, whereas with such a group of people in a community this small and friendly that is very unlikely to be the case - surely if I hadn't submitted a rpetender near closing I would be reminded/encouraged/coerced by a player in this game I am on friendly terms or in another game with?
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