Warhammer Greenskin hype/brainstorming thread....

[BandarLover]

ah, ok I see. I like this idea then and will see what I can come up with.

[BandarLover]

Almost forgot, I need ideas on start sites. What gems they should produce, units, etc.

Hopefully on my next 2 days off, I'll have completed a bare bones dm file of just orc units, but I'd like to add start sites to it as well.

[Lurker_at_Threshold]

Originally Posted by BandarLover

Almost forgot, I need ideas on start sites. What gems they should produce, units, etc.

Hopefully on my next 2 days off, I'll have completed a bare bones dm file of just orc units, but I'd like to add start sites to it as well.

What paths are you planning on giving the mages?

I think the capital only sites should be idols of gork/mork respectively each would give 1 F and 1 N gem. There could be a separate badlands or black wastes site that produces 1 D gem and allows for the production of black orcs. Of course that is if you want to make black orcs capital only.

As far a summons go, I think most of them should center around nature magic, particularly for squigs and trolls. A possible high level summon could be to call a Waagh or great Waagh which would produce large quantities of orcs and goblins as well as a couple of commanders.

[BandarLover]

OK a few more questions to get people's reactions on some more ideas. Note, once Okin sends me his notes and/or code that he has already done for his orc mod, some of these may change, but I want some feed back regardless.

The Orc Choppa: Would it be thematic if I give it the armor piercing command? It is a fairly nasty weapon but I felt it would help make the Orc units more tactical, ie. orcs with choppas can pierce armor and orcs with Bashas will have the flail tag giving them bonus against shields.

Black Orcs: or specifically, their armor. I know they are the heavy armor unit but I feel as though I should give them custom heavy armor, since giving an orc "full plate armor" doesn't sound as interesting as "Large metal bits with lottsa' spikey bits" does. It would be the same stats as full armor, just a more colorful orc description.

One more modding question: I know it's possible to give a nation an affinity toward cold or heat scales...is the same possible with other scales? Like, I know Abyssia's income is unaffected by death scale, or so says the mod manual. I'd kind of like to give Greenskins an affinity for Turmoil for thematic reasons and I noticed the #turmoilincome command in the General modding section of the manual.

All in all, I've got the recruitable orc units written out. I'm leaning towards making Orc shamans stronger in Death and fire, while Gobbo shamans will be stronger in Nature and Fire and also making the gobbo shamans the 'better' national mages, seeing as how they are so cunning and their minds are more receptive to Wauugh! magic. I'm holding off a bit until I see what Okin has to inspire me more, and for Fantomen to finish up the Black orc and Orc shaman sprites before releasing a 'beta' version of this mod.

[BandarLover]

Almost forgot, I made the bonus weapon as suggested by Calchet but it doesn't appear in the unit description screen. It's getting late here and I can't think why it's not showing, it's listed in the unit commands. Ah well, so sleepy.

[Burnsaber]

Originally Posted by BandarLover

The Orc Choppa: Would it be thematic if I give it the armor piercing command? It is a fairly nasty weapon but I felt it would help make the Orc units more tactical, ie. orcs with choppas can pierce armor and orcs with Bashas will have the flail tag giving them bonus against shields.

AP weapons are absolutely brutal and likely way too much for a recruitable weapon. Take Water Elementals for example, their "crush" weapon is just dam/att/def/len 0 but they are still just very very good.

You can get the same effect just by giving the choppa higher damage (like +2/3 more compared to the Bashas).

Originally Posted by BandarLover

Black Orcs: or specifically, their armor. I know they are the heavy armor unit but I feel as though I should give them custom heavy armor, since giving an orc "full plate armor" doesn't sound as interesting as "Large metal bits with lottsa' spikey bits" does. It would be the same stats as full armor, just a more colorful orc description.

Yeah, go for it. You can notice that SOmbre has done this kind of too with Ogres and Gutplates.

Originally Posted by BandarLover

One more modding question: I know it's possible to give a nation an affinity toward cold or heat scales...is the same possible with other scales? Like, I know Abyssia's income is unaffected by death scale, or so says the mod manual. I'd kind of like to give Greenskins an affinity for Turmoil for thematic reasons and I noticed the #turmoilincome command in the General modding section of the manual.

#turmoilincome is a command that can be used to vary the effects of the turmoil scale on a global level. It's pretty much useless for nation modding. So in short, no.

Originally Posted by BandarLover

Almost forgot, I made the bonus weapon as suggested by Calchet but it doesn't appear in the unit description screen. It's getting late here and I can't think why it's not showing, it's listed in the unit commands. Ah well, so sleepy.

Weapon modding is quite simple. You should compare your code to a mod that working modded weapons and see if your code is somehow different.

[Sombre]

Compare with ogre smash in the ogre mod.

[BandarLover]

Thanks Burn and Sombre, I knew I was tired last night, I had a space in the middle of the #newweapon command :P

I suppose I'll forgo AP on choppas. My reasoning for including it to begin with was the over all crappyness of Greenskin archers and their need for something to help punch thru heavy armored troops, but not if it's too over powered.

[llamabeast]

They should have no problem punching through heavy armour if the orcs are strong are have high-damage choppas. Compare with falchions, which, if I remember correctly, have damage 7.