Suhiir's Revised USMC OOB #13 - Page 5

Suhiir · #1 March 21st, 2011, 12:34 PM

Just a FYI.

I will be updating my version of OOB #13 (USMC) to v5.5 over the next few days/weeks.
No estimate on completion date.

cbreedon · #2 March 21st, 2011, 08:47 PM

^^ looking forward to it... I have enjoyed the previous versions...

Suhiir · #3 April 25th, 2011, 02:32 PM

Updated to v5.5

Included a variant of Scenario #77 Marines return to N. Korea 01/04.
This variant goes in scenario slot #326.

scJazz · #4 November 28th, 2011, 08:25 PM

A quick story don't remember where I heard it and some details are no doubt not right.

WW I: Marine unit moves up to the trenches to relieve a French unit. While officers of the French and Marine units are conversing in the CP a Marine Sargent runs into the tent and announces "Sir! We can see the Germans from the line!" The French Officer replies that yes there is a relief area visible behind the German lines. However it is out of rifle range and Command won't authorize artillery because there are never enough enemy visible. The Marine officer gathers up his Sargent and the Frenchman and heads towards the line. Upon arrival he directs his riflemen to commence firing at the Germans visible in their relief area. An astonished Frenchman and German soldiers note the following. They are in range, at least if the riflemen are Marines!

Really love this OOB! I think it is the first time that I haven't shuffled units around insanely aside from adding a few Hummers to move some Snipers and Mortars around!

Suhiir · #5 November 28th, 2011, 10:47 PM

The USMC cut it's teeth playing sniper with a musket from the rigging. So marksmanship has always been a very high priority.

When the M16A1 was the standard rifle the US Army's official weapons manual gave it a maximum effective range of 460m. The USMC however continued to require all recruits to quality at ranges up to 500m.

scJazz · #6 December 25th, 2011, 07:38 PM

Unknown strangeness...

I noticed this but can not reproduce. I'm still totally fail on OOB design.

During the '65 period... could be 12/64 or 7/65 and might even include '67 and the 90s now that I think about it.

Sometimes the Tank Sections (what would be expected as 2 tanks also effecting Zippos/CS Tank sections) only represent a single tank. This is during Long Campaigns in the '65 time period. Sometimes, I start a campaign and sections are 2 tanks sometimes just 1.

I might have lost my mind and this is a useless post but somehow I think not.

Suhiir · #7 December 25th, 2011, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scJazz

Unknown strangeness...

I noticed this but can not reproduce. I'm still totally fail on OOB design.

During the '65 period... could be 12/64 or 7/65 and might even include '67 and the 90s now that I think about it.

Sometimes the Tank Sections (what would be expected as 2 tanks also effecting Zippos/CS Tank sections) only represent a single tank. This is during Long Campaigns in the '65 time period. Sometimes, I start a campaign and sections are 2 tanks sometimes just 1.

I might have lost my mind and this is a useless post but somehow I think not.

Error in the OOB, will be corrected in the next revision after WinSPMBT v 5.6 is released.

Thanks for pointing it out!

Jaakko · #8 January 17th, 2012, 11:30 AM

While playing the USMC during the battle of Hue 1968, I noticed the lack of M60 LMGs. What appeared to be in their place in most cases was the weapon number 24 "M16A1 AR" or 26 "3x M16A1 AR". Is this supposed to be so and what is the weapon number 24/26 supposed to represent?

I also noticed relatively low morale levels compared to later periods. I wonder what's the reasoning behind this.

Suhiir · #9 January 17th, 2012, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaakko

While playing the USMC during the battle of Hue 1968, I noticed the lack of M60 LMGs. What appeared to be in their place in most cases was the weapon number 24 "M16A1 AR" or 26 "3x M16A1 AR". Is this supposed to be so and what is the weapon number 24/26 supposed to represent?

I also noticed relatively low morale levels compared to later periods. I wonder what's the reasoning behind this.

The USMC never regularly used the M60 as a LMG the way the US Army did.

With the loss of the BAR in the late 50's (tho many units did continue to use them till about 65ish) the official USMC policy was for each fire-team Automatic Rifleman (the person in a team "authorized" to fire in full auto mode) to be issued a bipod for the M14/M16 and carry some extra magazines.
With the advent of the M249 SAW they were issued them as an "LMG".

So yes, weapons "M16A1 AR" and "3x M16A1 AR" represent the use of M16's as "Automatic Rifles".

Not to say the M60 isn't used as an LMG regularly, but WinSPMBT code can't deal with an MMG unit becoming an LMG unit when in motion and back to an MMG when stationary.

As to morale ... Vietnam was a rather unpopular war and I believe (and can't personally verify) there is a hard-coded reduction to morale for US (and possibly other) OOBs during the late Vietnam period. This probably lasts till about the Regan Era (ca. 1981) when it is returned to "normal".

DRG · #10 January 17th, 2012, 05:58 PM

Yes it's hard coded and why some nations "elites" might have +10 modifiers and another nation might have +15..it's to make their "elites" equal.

Morale is 10 points higher in the 90's than in the 60's for USMC and there is a 5 point increase in experience during the same time period. Changes are made by decade in MBT, in WW2 it's by decade up to the start of WW2 then it's by year.

Don