Question about Ukraine OOB...

[Mustang]

Some visual evidence.



ODS SA. Note the CITV.



ODS model. Note the hood over CITV.



Majority of bradleys here resemble ODS, you might be able to find some SA but it's clear not all are SA.

[Mustang]

I don't think any IFV has ever used reactive armor in combat, given the reactive armor would penetrate their own thin armor.

[DRG]

Well that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...armor_kit.html

https://www.rafael-usa.com/programs/armor/

RAFAEL provides advanced Reactive Armor Tiles for armored combat vehicles that defeat a broad range of threats including kinetic energy projectiles, anti-tank shaped charges, high-speed fragments, IEDs, RPGs, and EFPs. RAFAEL is the design authority for the Bradley AFV Reactive Armor Tiles, which have been supplied to the U.S. Army for the Bradley as well as for the Stryker IFV. The system saved U.S. soldiers’ lives during the Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) and Iraqi Freedom operations. Platforms hit simultaneously by RPGs during ambushes survived the attacks.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

Well that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...armor_kit.html

https://www.rafael-usa.com/programs/armor/

The upgrade was in 2009 so the oif part is impossible. For Afghanistan I can't find anything.

[Mobhack]

Mustang - what part of Don's "that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"" don't you get?

We don't care what you post. We have told you so. But you just don't seem to get the hint and blithely reply with yet another "you think". Or several!.

Your screeds of obsessive "you thinks" on these forums simply aren't worth the electrons expended since their value to us has been proven to be the square root of diddly-squat.

Now, please hop it before you get yourself banned, eh?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Mustang - what part of Don's "that's why we are not paying any attention to what "you think"" don't you get?

We don't care what you post. We have told you so. But you just don't seem to get the hint and blithely reply with yet another "you think". Or several!.

Your screeds of obsessive "you thinks" on these forums simply aren't worth the electrons expended since their value to us has been proven to be the square root of diddly-squat.

Now, please hop it before you get yourself banned, eh?

I'm fine with being banned. It's not my opinion. There's multiple factual errors here. Era was never used in Iraq. The bradleys in Ukraine have no stabilizer. And so on. Ban me.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Mustang

There's multiple factual errors here. Era was never used in Iraq. The bradleys in Ukraine have no stabilizer. And so on. Ban me.

https://www.militarytoday.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm

At the time of its introduction the Bradley was the first IFV with a fully-stabilized main gun.

Please note that this is the initial M2A0 Bradley from 1981 -- at the time all this was very $$$$$ -- the UK Warrior IFV doesn't have stabilization even today.

[MarkSheppard]

BTW, copy pasta from /k/:

Current Attrition rates of Western military equipment in Ukraine

(According to Oryx, all visually confirmed -- LOST includes damaged and destroyed)

Tanks
Leopard 2A6 (21) - Lost (9) - (43%)
Leopard 2A4 (54) - Lost (7) - (13%)
M-55s - (28) - Lost (2) - (7%)
Challenger 2 (14) - Lost (1) - (7%)
PT-91 Twardy (60) - Lost (2) - (3%)
Leopard 1A5 (165) - Lost (0) - (0%)
Strv 122s (10) - Lost (0) - (0%)

AFVs
AMX-10 RC (40) - Lost (4) - (10%)

IFVs
Bradley M2A2 (182) - Lost (53) - (29%)
YPR-765 (196) - Lost (48) - (24%)
CV90 (50) - Lost (3) - (6%)
KTO Rosomak (200) - Lost (1) - (0.5%)
Marder (40) - Lost (0) - (0%)

APC
M113 (778) - Lost (66) - (8%)
FV103 Spartan (114) - Lost (3) - (3%)
VAB (60) Delivered - Lost (12) - (20%)
Patria Pasi (20) - Lost (7) - (35%)
Bushmaster (90) - Lost (8) - (9%)
Stryker - (157) - Lost (3) - (2%)

[MarkSheppard]

For all his whining, Mustang has a point...at what point do we consider a type extinct in service?

Russian Ground Forces had (on paper) 557 T-80 variants pre-war. Of this, 396 have been lost (71%) since the war started.

Elsewhere, SIPRI said Russia had about 112~ Ka-52 Alligators in 2019. Oryx has visual evidence of 43 Ka-52 losses. (38.3%) One actually just crashed on a training flight earlier this month and one was just shot down outside of Robotyne:

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/s...35784827826365
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...22168301236226

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

https://www.militarytoday.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm

At the time of its introduction the Bradley was the first IFV with a fully-stabilized main gun.

Please note that this is the initial M2A0 Bradley from 1981 -- at the time all this was very $$$$$ -- the UK Warrior IFV doesn't have stabilization even today.

The other article I cited said stabilizers were a new feature in 2006. It's illogical that the main gun would be stabilized but not a missile launch.

In any case full stabilization is a SA feature and Ukraine doesn't have it, hence the game is incorrect.

BTW, copy pasta from /k/:

How do you not recognize Mustang, jidf?

Alligators in 2019. Oryx has visual evidence of 43 Ka-52 losses. (38.3%) One actually just crashed on a training flight earlier this month and one was just shot down outside of Robotyne

The difference is Russia is continually building new equipment whereas although America is also building equipment, there is no consistent plan to send them to Ukraine. But I'm fine with removing any Russian equipment you believe is gone.