[OT] Nation bashing

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by rextorres:
crud. Rex, I accidentally hit edit instead of quote on your post. And since I am a moderator it let me do it. Can you edit it again and put what you said again. Sorry.
Geo

Yea, I know THAT feeling, Geoschmo. One is typing away happily and post it only to find that you have edited instead of quote the post. Happend to me, too.

[Fyron]

The good ole Democratic state legislature of California forced the power companies to sell off most of their power plants to third parties, who were then able to jack up the prices and create false shortages to make huge profits.

A lot of people here believe that govt just gets in the way and so are against regulations. Ironically - at least in this forum - some middle class and lower class (at least that's what they've professed) are against govt regulations when they are the very ones one who these regulations protect (rich people don't need protection they can afford to pay for their own services).

No, they most likely believe that the role of government is not to be big brother and to get its hands in places where they do not belong. There is nothing ironic about it. The role of government is to interact with other nations, protect us from hostile invasions, and provide a minimum amount of services that can not be provided by private companies. I can't speak for everyone, but I am against government regulation of things that the government has no business in regulating, and for regulation of the relatively small spectra of things that the government needs to have a hand in.

Argentina and (power in California)is a perfect example of what can happen when "govt gets out of the way so business people can do business".

It is a good example of government officials not knowing what they are doing and fubaring everything, yes. Many states have deregulated energy markets that run perfectly fine. The only thing that allowed the crooks to create the power shortage was the piss-poor way in which the energy market was deregulated in CA. If it had been done properly, the energy crisis never would have happened. Now who was it again that allowed all this to happen? Ah yes, those guys that want to regulate everything under the sun. They usually end up not knowing how to go about anything right in the first place.

[rextorres]

Originally posted by rextorres:
crud. Rex, I accidentally hit edit instead of quote on your post. And since I am a moderator it let me do it. Can you edit it again and put what you said again. Sorry.

Geo

It doesn't matter I was just ranting and raving!

[rextorres]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The good ole Democratic state legislature of California forced the power companies to sell off most of their power plants to third parties, who were then able to jack up the prices and create false shortages to make huge profits.

Pete Wilson, a Republican, was governor of california and considered the architect of deregulation.

[ February 14, 2003, 02:08: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Fyron]

It happened under Davis.

[rextorres]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
It happened under Davis.

Actually Davis INHERITED the problem. Deregulation occurred in 1996. It was signed by Wilson who was the architect. A fact that Republicans conveniently forget.

Here's a website that details all the problems - http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/power.crisis/comp.html (i purposely chose CNN so that you wouldn't accuse me of getting my information from a extremely liberal source). This website BTW was created before it was discovered that the power companies were gouging the state. It has only recently been disovered that the out of state power generators were colluding to drive up prices at the expense of consumers.

Also the City of Los Angeles was not part of the deregulation plan because it was generating its own power and did not have any problems (because it was regulated).

[Greybeard]

[quote]Originally posted by rextorres:
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(i purposely chose CNN so that you wouldn't accuse me of getting my information from a extremely liberal source). QB]

I can't believe that anyone thinks that CNN isn't an extremely liberal source, except maybe an extreme liberal...Greybeard

[rextorres]

[quote]Originally posted by Greybeard:

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Originally posted by rextorres:
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(i purposely chose CNN so that you wouldn't accuse me of getting my information from a extremely liberal source). QB]

I can't believe that anyone thinks that CNN isn't an extremely liberal source, except maybe an extreme liberal...Greybeard

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. . .and Fox News whose editorial head worked in the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. white houses under various guises is "Fair and Balanced" - at least CNN makes a pretention of being unbiased.

[Krsqk]

(i purposely chose CNN so that you wouldn't accuse me of getting my information from a extremely liberal source)

ROFLOL!!!!

That's great! I think I'll print this and post it on the bulletin board at work!

Seriously, though, bringing up Fox doesn't make CNN unbiased any more than bringing up Ari Fleischer makes George Stephanopolous unbiased. Everyone has a bias. Denying that the (vast) majority of mainstream journalists, editors, and reporters hold liberal viewpoints contradicts their own statements. Denying that one's viewpoints color one's reporting is overly optimistic. Overlooking liberal bias in the media while jumping all over Fox News for conservative bias is...umm...*searches for non-inflammatory words*...inconsistent.

(Wow! I think it's an entire post without a single inflammatory remark! Do I get a prize? )

[ February 14, 2003, 04:09: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

[Andrés]

Well I could never travel as much I would have like, I've only left the country a couple of times and I've never gone to the US (America is the name of the whole continent, and I'm certainly in America)
But yes I read some international new, and have read many Posts in these forums complaining about the same problems.