MP: Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI. Game Over. Team ACGHHS wins!

[Maerlande]

What's going on with the server? Last night I checked and there was 21 hours till timer up. This morning I checked and I had a stale. I see that a total of 3 people staled. Also the timer now shows 47 hours. Looks like we have a bad turn. I think we deserve a roll back due to the server error.

[chrispedersen]

Without looking at the turn, I have to admit I was surprised as well.

I know that when I went to bed there was 16 hours remaining, and 7 people (or so) had not submitted turns. When I woke up 6 or 8 hours later - the turn had hosted.

I suspect that what happened is that the previous turn had an extension, causing this turn to run long; and an acmin subtracted time.

Regardless if one of my nations were affected or not, I support a roll back.

However, I would *really* like it if only the nations that did not submit a turn were allowed to do so.

Also, SS or M, could you fix the first post? The staling dating and results don't work.

[Septimius Severus]

Well, Gandalf had not removed the extra 12 hours from the previous turn. I had decided I would not bother Gandalf about it though I admit I was getting a bit irritated when it looked like people were taking advantage of the extra 12 hours, can't blame them though. Either Gandalf took out the extra time or the server did something on its own causing those 3 people (Lanka, Kailasa, and Caelum) still outstanding to stale apparently.

Though it could be argued that everyone had sufficient time since the real hosting would have taken place at 8 AM PST (5 AM est), it could also be argued that people were going based upon what they saw. Therefore, I will leave it to the discretion of Gandalf if we wants to do a rollback or not. I agree with Chris, if it is done only those 3 people need to resubmit, and I will ask that they get their turns in with all do haste. Last time I put 16 hours on the clock for this to take place, this time I think 8 might be reasonable and fair. I am sure people won't want any longer delays than necessary. I am forwarding a copy of this post to Gandalf for his review.

[Gandalf Parker]

Rolling back the game is simply unzipping the game save into the game directory.

BUT then it also means cancelling the timers, re-computing the time, and starting new timers. I dont know where that failed last time but its probably in there someplace. Do we want to do that again?

[Septimius Severus]

The failure to reset the displayed hosting timer rests with me to some degree, as I didn't want to bother reminding Gandalf to do it, especially since we were moving to 48 this turn anyway. I also assumed that Gandalf would remember to remove it. That could be considered partly my fault since I have overall responsiblity. I have the feeling people tend to view me as rather harsh and tough on time and turns anyway and I hate to reinforce this.

It is evident though that at least 40 hours did elapse before the turn hosted. I am biased of course in this decision as two of my teammates are among the 3 that staled. That is why I have asked Gandalf to use his discretion.

I want to be fair, even if it means a decision that is not favorable to my team. We do need to get going one way or the other soon. In the absence of a decision by Gandalf or objections (and as much as I may dislike rollbacks myself) I will order a rollback be commenced immediately, all turns already submitted retained, 8 hours put on the clock,and the 3 staled to get their turns in. After that 8 hours is up, we move forward one way or another and proceed at our regularly scheduled 48 hour host.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK the files from just before last hosting have been unpacked

[Frozen Lama]

the flaw to your logic sept- no sane person counts in their head how many hours have [i]passed[i]since the turn hosted. we just look at the timer, see if we have time to do it tomorrrow, and go to sleep. if the server hosts before the timer indicated it was supposed to, it is in no way anyones fault, and we deserve a rollback

[Septimius Severus]

I understand that Frozen, as I have stated above. We admins goofed up, the players are not to blame really, if given extra time people will take it, I have always known that. I do want to not delay things any longer than necessary for those that did get their turns in.

Gandalf is rolling back, 8 hours should be enough for turns that are already/should already be done. Lanka, Kailasa, Caelum, please get your turns in. After this we go back to our normal schedule. Everyone else sit tight. I will check back in tonight and I will send personal e-mails to all those who have staled.

[Frozen Lama]

I was just curious as to why there was any discussion at all about whether we would roll back or not

[Illuminated One]

Are you sure you have the right turn for a rollback from me?
I'm pretty sure what you have is the file for the next turn, I've sent one for turn 20 now.