Another Stellar Manipulation question or 2

[jim]

If one attempts to open a warp hole to a system that has the anti-warphole shield, I know that the attempt fails. However, what I do NOT know is if:

1) Does the attempter get told during the turn, as if trying to build the 7th facility on a 6 facility planet? Or is it not until next turn?

2) Does the empire(s) who owns the unsuccessfully-targeted system get made aware that an attempt had been made to make the warp hole?

[Paul1980au]

1 you get a warning in the same turn.
2 - i think the other empire gets a warning to

[Phoenix-D]

You get a warning the same turn IF playing sequential. In simultanious I don't think you're told until the next turn.

[jim]

I only play Simultaneous, so that is a good qualification. That is, that one might get a warning one way but not the other.

If it is not known for sure, I may have to test it at some point in this game. That is, if I fail to open the warp, go back in via the Empire I tried it on and see if they got a message. Obviously, they will always get a message if I succeed. I have gotten such Messages myself when an AI did it on a part of the map I was nowhere near, and had not even visited yet. The Q is if they get a message even if the attempt fails and, if so, do they know where the attempt was made from. I will report the results in a few days, if I do it.

By the way, this is not a trivial question. In a human-human game (I would guess a max tech one), one would have to either make the attempt from a black hole system, or one would have to use a system that is itself vulnerable to counter-attacks through fresh warp holes made in riposte by the enemy, unless one goes to the extreme trouble of making 10 warp holes intra-empire, then closing one, then opening the 10th again. That's lot of work.

I would guess that i would probably have the shield there in the system, and another in the build queue on hold when I made the attempt. Then, scrapping the shield would allow the warp hole attempt first, then the build queue would make the facility again.

Against AIs, I don't think any of the above is likely needed, but I try to avoid negative training in my solo games.

[ February 11, 2004, 03:12: Message edited by: jim ]

[Roanon]

In simultaneous, you definitely get the error message "not being able to create..." NEXT turn. Makes sense, too. Otherwise, you could try-and-error warp connections into every system and easily check out the whole map for weak spots in a single turn.

[Baron Grazic]

Nope - the other empire does not know about the failed attempt. They certainly will get notified of a successfully opened warp point.