Production Bonuses

[DirectorTsaarx]

Currently there are 12 population level breakpoints where you get increased production. The 12th is set to 200,000,000,000 (yes, 200B!) in the 1.19 Version. This particular setting is required by the game to define the "maximum" bonus. Which means the Last USEFUL setting is 10B, with a 90% bonus (IIRC). In the interest of making ring and sphereworlds useful, I've changed the Last (useful) breakpoint to nearly 60B (since sphereworlds allow 64B pop), and set the bonus to 200% (so you get triple production on an almost-full sphereworld). I've attached a text file with only the population modifier lines from "Settings.txt"...

Any comments?

[Tampa_Gamer]

I like the additional levels, however, my personal mod has them going the other way as well (e.g. below 100 and below 150 production falls off by 20% and 10% respectively) Someone (forget who) posted this awhile back and liked it.

[Drake]

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Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
Currently there are 12 population level breakpoints where you get increased production. The 12th is set to 200,000,000,000 (yes, 200B!) in the 1.19 Version. This particular setting is required by the game to define the "maximum" bonus. Which means the Last USEFUL setting is 10B, with a 90% bonus (IIRC).

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Actually, that's not the case. The maximum bonus is 100%, which you get if you have a pop of over 9999M.

You get the bonus for modifier X if your population is between that listed for (X-1) and X. In other words, when you hit the population amount for modifier 10, you get pushed up to modifier 11, and that bonus now applies (190%).

The 200B figure is probably just a catch-all used to give it something to check if your population is 10B or higher.

[This message has been edited by Drake (edited 30 January 2001).]

[DirectorTsaarx]

drake: you know, that actually makes more sense...

In which case the file I uploaded should have the Last entry (the one for 200B) set for 310. Unless you really want to stop at 300% production (equal to a 200% production bonus), in which case you can just delete the next-to-Last entry (59.999B) and leave the Last entry as it is.

And tampa: I posted a similar Version of this a while back, probably in response to the same thread you're referring to. I forget who put production penalties in for small races, but I figured that as long as all the races use the same rules the penalties weren't necessary. But that's just my opinion; and one of the nice things about this game is you can set it up the way you like it...

[Jubala]

The penalties where a courtesy of Talenn if my memory serves me correctly.

[raynor]

I think production penalties are a GREAT idea. It has always bothered me that you can send over just ONE million colonists and get the same production from a planet as 99 M. Even the 5% production bonus at 100 million seems out-of-whack.

I'm still hoping that they enable the 'Minimum Population to Operate One Facility' setting so we can say that each facility requires at least 10, 20 or even 50 M colonists (as the setting currently appears in Settings.Txt)

One of the things I most dislike about this game is the lack of factories ala Moo2. If I play a heavily fighter based game, I can build a colony ship in the blink of an eye, colonize a planet and start cranking out more fighters on this brand-new practically empty planet than I can on space yard ship or on a space yard base ship--OR even on an established colony that has a HUGE population in comparision. To me, this is majorly out of whack.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Uh, raynor; first, a ship-based space yard should probably be less capable than a planet space yard, due to the limited space, effort in transporting supplies back and forth, etc. Now, I think space yards on BASES should be better than space yards on a ship; but I'm not willing to accept that a base space yard should be better than a planetary space yard. And finally, the only way I know that a small planet can outbuild a large planet is when the small planet has a planetary space yard facility and the large planet does not. And even then, if it's a sufficiently large population, it may still outbuild the small planet. example: base is 2000 of each resource for planet without space yard. Space Yard I facility builds at 2500 of each resource per turn. A planet with 1M to 99M people and a SY facility would build at 2500 each per turn (neglecting happiness bonuses and racial bonuses, for simplicity). A planet with 3B to 4B people will build at 2600 of each resource per turn. So the SY facility makes up for those 3B to 4B people.

Now, that seems like a huge number, but have you ever tried building a car in your own garage vs. having it built in a factory designed to build cars?

[raynor]

DirectorTsaarx,

Uh, you missed the Moo2 part.

A brand new colony with 1 M people produces at exactly the same rate as a sphereworld with a SY III and 32 B people....

My comments and the one above were in the context of a comparison to MOO2 in which a colony maxed out with factories outproduces a brand new colony by a factor of at least twenty to one.

But MOO2 and SEIV are two very different games. Check out the other topic I started titled: Production Based vs. Resource Based games.

[Baron Munchausen]

Now the solution to this one is simple and within our power. You edit settings.txt and REDUCE the default planetary production rates, then edit your population bonuses to boost those reduced rates to what you want at those levels.

Empire Base Planet Mineral Usage Rate := 2000
Empire Base Planet Organic Usage Rate := 2000
Empire Base Planet Radioactive Usage Rate := 2000


Don't like 2000 for each? Set them to 1000.

[Drake]

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Originally posted by raynor:
DirectorTsaarx,
A brand new colony with 1 M people produces at exactly the same rate as a sphereworld with a SY III and 32 B people....

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Actually, the new colony would have 1/2 the contruction rate (less if you have SY bonuses), and 1/2 the production.

-Drake

[This message has been edited by Drake (edited 01 February 2001).]