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				Penetration enhancers working on items ?
	
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Hello, 
 
I have been wondering if penetration enhancing items/spells (rune smasher, focus, ...) will help with magic items penetrating enemy MR, too, or if it will only help with spells cast by the mage himself ? 
 
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		Hmm, nobody knows this one ? Any idea how this was handled in Dom2 (likely still the same) ? 
 
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		I think penetration items didn't affect items in DomII. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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I know penetration items don't (didn't) affect innate abilities that weren't cast (R'lyeh's mindblast, etc), but don't really recall whether it would affect a spell _cast_ via an item.  I'd actually suspect it would work with items used via scripting to cast, but wouldn't work if it's something that's fired / swung. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Well, thank you for the answers, it looks like we have to keep guessing unless a dev takes a look at this   
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		What item spell are you referring to anyway?  
 
It would be that hard to test if you loaded up someone with the - eye of the void, penetration amulet, rune breaker? (+2 penetration weapon).   That would be +5 penetration which would reveal itself relatively quickly if you ran 20 uses of the item with it penetration bonus, and 20 without. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I've always wondered about this for items that have spell-like MR-negates effects: 
 
Ethereal crossbow is "MR-negates" & it would be interesting to see the test results Maltrease suggests with with that (though Rune Smasher can't be used). 
 
Then there are effects like Decay from Bane Blade. 
 
I'm drawing a blank right now on items that let you *cast* spells with MR-negates...the unholy-blessing artifact sword, maybe? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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I'm drawing a blank right now on items that let you *cast* spells with MR-negates...the unholy-blessing artifact sword, maybe?  
			
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 The one artifact crown that allows charm, for one.  Think there were others.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Well, although not in battle i believe the black mirror lets you cast mind hunt. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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