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				December 26th, 2007, 10:34 PM
			
			
			
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				 OOB Modding without cheating 
 I'll state the obvious (at least to me).  Modding OOBs so the units you use have lots of ammo available.  Tanks and such have at least two specific limitations:  size of the ammunition, weight of the ammunition.  Should you happen to add extra ammunition, then the speed of the unit should be reduced.  One way around this is to add a towed ammunition carrier which could be created.  Of course, there are the normal ammunition carriers.  This can create some dramatic fireworks should it ever be hit.  I was bored, just thought I would mention it. |  
	
		
	
	
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				December 26th, 2007, 11:35 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: OOB Modding without cheating 
 The PBEM engine checks to make both sides are using the same OOB. If they don't match, it will let you know. If your opponents are asking you to use their up-ammoed OOBs in PBEM then the choice is yours. 
 I'm not sure how much ammo you would have to add to the average tank to see a serious degradation in performance. Given that you can (un-historically) put a section of men on the average tank - say 1600 lbs or so of meat, adding 10 or 20 shots of main gun ammo isn't going to make much of a weight difference. If you need to re-load, then the normal ammo carriers will do the trick.
 
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				December 27th, 2007, 09:08 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: OOB Modding without cheating 
 I'd say degradation of performance would come rather from the confined space - you MAY sick some extra shells in but you limit already cramped space (not to mention post-penetration survivability etc.)
 EDIT: As for external storage, bar special cases like Churchill Crocodile fuel trailer, too impractical I'd say.
 
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				December 27th, 2007, 10:25 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: OOB Modding without cheating 
 Agreed about cramped conditions- but Starmyth was talking about reducing speed. As for trailers, apart from the Crocs, I have seen trailers for Jeeps, 251s, M3s, and various tankettes. However, I would have to put most of these in the ammo carrier class - none had facilities to reload on the fly. 
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				December 27th, 2007, 01:08 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: OOB Modding without cheating 
 That is what I meant.  An external munitions carrier of some type would have the ammunition close.  Likely it would then be too close.  The carrier could be untowed for actual combat.Cramped space would definitely be a problem if the additional ammunition was inside the tank.  I don't have any idea what tank HE and AP rounds weigh.  Of course, larger rounds would be heavier.
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				December 27th, 2007, 08:23 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: OOB Modding without cheating 
 I do know that Panzer crews and StuG crews especially loaded as much ammo they could when possible. Running out of ammo in battle is not a good thing. |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
	
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