Bug ? Hallucinations ? Insanity ? wtf?

coobe · #1 May 2nd, 2008, 05:42 PM

Can someone plz explain me the attached savegame ? It is from our recent blitz and in the 1st battle i win and kill Atuls god but then the map..... PS: i was Yomi

atul · #2 May 2nd, 2008, 05:56 PM

Obviously it's the historical imperative in action. I must win, therefore my pretender could not have died.

More seriously, something's amiss. Usually this kind of behaviour has been due to different OS's for server and client, but now it was Coobe who was hosting. He and I both witnessed my pretender dying...

coobe · #3 May 3rd, 2008, 07:02 AM

maybe i should post this in the bug thread ?

NTJedi · #4 May 3rd, 2008, 07:15 AM

This old bug has been around since the days of Dominions_2. Basically the battle results are different than the end map result.

I experienced it recently during the first DOM_3 SC arena competition where the battle shows my SC easily survived and killed the opponent SC yet results had both killed. A second DOM_3 SC arena competition was then arranged as a workaround.

Check the existing Bug Thread Shortlist Sticky at the top of the forum to verify the bug hasn't already been posted. If it's not in the Bug Thread Shortlist Sticky than post it in the bug thread and toss Edi a message.

Endoperez · #5 May 3rd, 2008, 07:29 AM

The battle movies aren't recorded; instead, the battle is recalculated from the same random numbers every time you view it. If for any reason the random numbers don't match or the battle is replayed differently, the movie will play differently. What happens to your units is based on what happened when the host went through the battle, of course.

One instance of this bug only appeared with spesific spells and different operating systems, playing with mismatched versions of the game can cause this, etc etc. It can be hard to catch the reason with just the turn files from AFTER it has happened; if you happen to have the previous turn (.trn or even fthrlnd and .2h) somewhere, I suggest posting that as well. And yes, you should report it in the bug thread, but while the general cause is known it's hard to know what, exactly, causes this bug in any spesific case.

NTJedi · #6 May 3rd, 2008, 07:33 AM

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Endoperez said:
What happens to your units is based on what happened when the host went through the battle, of course.

I play MP games via hotseat(only_1_physical_computer) and have seen the battle results displayed were different than the end map result.

Endoperez · #7 May 3rd, 2008, 08:07 AM

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NTJedi said:

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Endoperez said:
What happens to your units is based on what happened when the host went through the battle, of course.

I play MP games via hotseat(only_1_physical_computer) and have seen the battle results displayed were different than the end map result.

Did it happen after patching the game? That's the only time I have heard of it happening in SP.

sector24 · #8 May 3rd, 2008, 10:16 AM

It happens in singleplayer occasionally. Makes it really hard to pin down.

Endoperez · #9 May 3rd, 2008, 11:31 AM

First time O've heard that. Wow, that's a nasty bug, I hope it's very rare then.

NTJedi · #10 May 3rd, 2008, 12:50 PM

Did not happen after patching or between patchings.

It's a very rare bug, but it's definitely a nasty one. This is one of those scenarios where reloading a saved game directly before hosting would be justified, yet players should not make any game changes.

I've had it happen to prophets and SCs... once my prophet was shown as killed in battle, which made me a sad panda, yet while working my next turn I found him alive as if he retreated to a friendly province.