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October 20th, 2018, 10:55 AM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
Hmm interesting. I have not seen that picture before... And how about another NATO countries? Any similar systems exist during Cold War than Warsaw Pact or just "normal" mine-clearing tanks (as they are today)?
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October 20th, 2018, 11:02 AM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
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Originally Posted by Warhero
Hmm interesting. I have not seen that picture before... And how about NATO? Any similar systems exist during Cold War or just "normal" mine-clearing tanks (as they are today)?
Warhero
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UK post-war Viper and giant viper, and the USA MCLIC derivatives of that, since the funnies of WW2 developed by the canadians (conger).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine-clearing_line_charge
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October 20th, 2018, 12:44 PM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
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"..........Compressed air was then used to pump the liquid explosive - just over a ton of "822C" nitroglycerin - into the hose before it was detonated. Conger was used in Normandy where there were instances of premature detonation."
"a ton of nitroglycerin" and " premature detonation" are not something very desirable to stay healthy........
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October 20th, 2018, 01:41 PM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
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In October 1945, at IJzendijke, a small city in Holland, the Conger showed just how deadly it could be. There were four AVREs being resupplied in a depot here in a lull during action in Operation Switchback, part of the Battle of the Scheldt. Troops were unloading Jerry Cans full of the extremely unstable and volatile Nitro-Glycerine used in the Conger from two Bedford supply trucks. During the process, the Nitro detonated. The resulting, colossal explosion vaporized the supply trucks, completely destroyed the two AVREs, claimed the lives of 47 troops, wounded 37, and also resulted in the death of the civilian inhabitants of a nearby farmhouse. As a result of this, the Conger was never used again.
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from http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...hurchill-avre/
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October 20th, 2018, 01:45 PM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
Apparently some people aren't familiar with line charges.
During Gulf I when we were breaching the minefields there were some Iraqi's on the other side waiting to surrender and watching (that was a strange "war"). When we fired a line charge they went over to see what it was, we tried to tell them to get the hell away from it but we didn't have a loundspeaker and no one in the area spoke Arabic. So we fired a few rounds near them to encourage them to take cover.
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October 20th, 2018, 01:49 PM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
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Originally Posted by Warhero
Hmm interesting. I have not seen that picture before... And how about another NATO countries? Any similar systems exist during Cold War than Warsaw Pact or just "normal" mine-clearing tanks (as they are today)?
Warhero
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Most of the US Europe strategy during the Cold War was envisioned as a delaying/rear guard defence so most of the need to breach minefields/cross rivers quickly would be on the Warsaw Pact.
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October 21st, 2018, 01:33 AM
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Re: Mine clearing device PW-LWD
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Originally Posted by jp10
Most of the US Europe strategy during the Cold War was envisioned as a delaying/rear guard defence so most of the need to breach minefields/cross rivers quickly would be on the Warsaw Pact.
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons we borrowed equipment from Israel and South Africa during Gulf I. It wasn't really until bout 2004 the US started to get any significant combat engineering capability.
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