MOO3 finished!

capnq · #1 January 25th, 2003, 07:23 PM

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I got free subscription to computer gaming world, and after "round filing" the renewal over a year ago, and still I get it.

Check your credit card statements carefully. I've had several "free" subscriptions that were automatically renewed for a year after the "free" sub ran out, unless you explicitly told them not to renew it.

Phoenix-D · #2 January 25th, 2003, 11:14 PM

"That was a hardware problem with people who have sub-standard hardware, and not really a problem with the game itself."

Why is it people always blame the ones having issues, and not the sub-standard program causing it?

Fact is, many copy-protection schemes are crap. Removing the copy protection from Morrowind can give up to a 20FPS improvement! And given the fact that it CAN be cracked, and was done so quickly after the game was released, it isn't stopping pirates at all.

Another time this happened was MechCommander 2. Everyone assumed since they had no problems, no one else did either. Heh. As it turned out, the game had an odd issue that resulted in two files being made. When those files were present, performance went in the toilet. My 1.5 GHz Geforce 4 system got MAYBE 5 FPS with everything turned off. Then I removed those files and got over 30 with everything on. If that isn't a game programming issue I don't know what was..

Phoenix-D

Fyron · #3 January 25th, 2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Civ III was most certainly not perfectly playable right out of the box, especially later on in the game.

Considering that I played an entire game before I applied any patches, I don't think that's true. Are you talking about stability or playability here?

Were you around Shrapnel when Civ III came out? If not, try searching for threads about it.

I don't even remember what was wrong in the initial release anymore, cause I stopped playing the game after a short while. Even now, with all these patches, it still has many major problems.

Egregius · #4 January 26th, 2003, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by MacLeod:
Moving on.....
I wouldn't call Microprose the MS of gaming, they just aren't big enough a company, that's why I put the bullet on EA. EA is huge, the largest of game companies and they are a disaster.[/QB]

Well they've released their fair share of bugged games. Problem is that their games are almost always great to play as well. For example, the greatest game ever produced (after SEIV of course..) Masters of Magic was a Microprose release as well. Playable, but bugged as hell. Good thing they released a zillion patches for it heheh.

Graeme Dice · #5 January 26th, 2003, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Were you around Shrapnel when Civ III came out? If not, try searching for threads about it.

I don't even remember what was wrong in the initial release anymore, cause I stopped playing the game after a short while. Even now, with all these patches, it still has many major problems.[/QB]

I don't see any problems. It's an expanded and much improved Version ov Civ I, which is looking really dated now. Expanding on what I said, absolutely nobody out of a half dozen people I know who bought the game and didn't patch it right away had no problems whatsoever.

Edit: I've read the "DO NOT BUY Civ 3" thread, and basically, it comes down to Atrocities complaining that he only got a month's worth of play out of a game. If you get a month out of any game before getting tired of it, then I would think it's up there as one of the best of all time.

Then you have people copmplaining about micromanagement. Well, that's what automating your workers is for. They are perfectly capable of handling any and all improvements by themselves.

Further, aside from the crashes which only a minority of people reported, the only real bugs were with precision bombing and air superiority, neither of which were game breakers.

The complaint of the AI producing masses of weak units comes from not realizing that the AI never gets rid of its ancient units that guard its cities, so when trouble comes, you get plenty of warriors and spearmen that have been sitting around for a few milennia.

It's also certainly not infeasible for militarily trained soldiers without firearms to defeat modern armour, especially in a large city, because while they may not have guns, they aren't bronze age people. Unless of course, you think that they have somehow survived for 6000 years.

[ January 26, 2003, 04:28: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]

Graeme Dice · #6 January 26th, 2003, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Why is it people always blame the ones having issues, and not the sub-standard program causing it?

Because it _is_ the hardware of those having issues as the other people don't have those issues.

Fyron · #7 January 26th, 2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Were you around Shrapnel when Civ III came out? If not, try searching for threads about it. I don't even remember what was wrong in the initial release anymore, cause I stopped playing the game after a short while. Even now, with all these patches, it still has many major problems.

I don't see any problems. It's an expanded and much improved Version ov Civ I, which is looking really dated now. Expanding on what I said, absolutely nobody out of a half dozen people I know who bought the game and didn't patch iot right away had no problems whatsoever.[/QB]

See... that is part of the problem. The game is not Civ 3, it is Civ 1.5. Most of the best changes in Civ 2 (hit points and firepower, for example) were thrown out.

Did any of your friends buy the game on the weekend it came out? Cause I did, and it crashed, a lot.