When AI scrap ships ?

[oleg]

Just an idea: AFAIK, AI can not retrofit or scrap ships with cargo. What if I rename construction baces to curriers and add one fighter bay ??
Will AI still use it for construction ? Hmmm..

[Q]

Here is the savegame:
1054815517.zip

It is a simultaneous game with the standard SE IV Gold Version 1.84. No passwords needed. Just login as the Phong (who are an AI empire) and control the log and empire status: You will find that a ship has been scrapped although there are more resources generated (AI high bonus included) than needed and the resource storages are full. And an identical ship type as the one scrapped is under construction at the homeplanet!!

[Mephisto]

Uh, sorry Q, that is possible. However I think it is not a game breaking bug because the scrap minister will only kick in if the ship has no other orders. Usually important AI ships always have an order.

[oleg]

In normal SE, yes. But in some mods, like Proportions, maintaining healthy infrastructure on orbit (about 10 space yards) is absolutely vital for AI well being. I made changes to my AIs, so they have space yards at top of every state in construction_vehicles file. It does not solve the problem complitely, but at least AI build space yards at the same time it destroys them. :
1054841329.zip

[JLS]

I did not realize why the questions on the AI Campaign Thread.

Sorry, Oleg…

I am a latecomer to this thread, so I will try to catch up.

Oleg, may I ask you to try THREE things with your Proportions AI.

1: Change the settings file line to [Retrofit Max Percent Difference in Cost ~~~~~ := 70 instead of 50% just for the test.

2: Please use Proportions Abbidon or a file similar to its AI Vehicle Construction File.
~~~
EDIT:
It may be best to have the top line a Weapon Platform or troop.

All AI states with the SAME Planet Per:=0 and Must have at least:= 5<>(whatever) for this test.
Entry 2 Type ~~~~~~~~~~:= Base Space Yard
Entry 2 Planet Per Item ~~~:= 0
Entry 2 Must Have At Least~:= 5

Followed by any Ship, Defense Base, units etc type.

*That is if 5 BSY's is affordable plus what else your AI is needing to accomplish (resource expenditure wise) Otherwise use a MHAL # that will be Common.

***This is important, it gives you a conformed Bench Mark thru out your test.

Or just clump most or all in just one or a few AI States. You will still need the bench mark for the test.
~~~

3: Start the test with a NEW game only influenced by your new Settings file.

You need too be sure that the all current BSY Proportion Designs and next BASE YARD upgrade for that AI is obtainable and legal for the AI as well, before running the test.

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With above now true, I expect something to clear up for you...

I am assuming that this is just happening to your BSY's or is it all your AI ships and bases?

I have never seen this happen in an alarming scale with Proportions, in the Past. Pre se4 v1.84. And then it was just some early Def. Base Design.

PLEASE POST, on your derection or progress, Oleg.

[ June 05, 2003, 22:34: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

BUMP

Oleg,
Are you adding PLATE armor to your Proportion MODS AI Designs that you are having proplems with?

[ June 05, 2003, 21:46: Message edited by: JLS ]

[oleg]

All my AIs have 90% maintanence. May be I should try 100% next

I made changes in construction files and posted files here (two Posts down). I think AI will work better now.