OT) Best Turn Based Game: Fantasy or Space or War

[klausD]

use to think like you.... then I tried EU and EU2 and my world turned around. Europa Universalis 2 is labeled as a RTS and indeed in the game the days continously tick down. However there is a pause button which can be pressed and you can look over your empire and make all the orders you need. This game spans 400 years of history ticking one day at the time. The game includes over 100 independent nations which act each and every day. It would be impossible to make this game true turn based. IMO even if it is label as RTS it feels much more like playing a turn based game.

I know both EUs, and and played them and I tried to like them, but I cannot. I am too much a pure turnbased player. And originally EU was a turnbased game - at least the swedish boardgame.

The boardgame was not that complex like the computer game but for an old wargamer (ASL, Streets of Stalingrad, Advanced 3rd Reich to name just a few) complexity has no meaning.

So I think they could have developed a turnbased EU, but they decided to do not, because they feared that all those mainstream pseudo wargamers outthere didnt like the game. I am happy that there are at least some older wargame designs (and very few new ones) which are still turnbased. I have to restrict myself to these old games, but what should I do? Maybe sometimes the hyperactive RT action fashion is over and people come back and design real games, not real time games.

Klaus

[ March 20, 2003, 16:29: Message edited by: klausD ]

[sharp]

Starcraft takes a helluva lot more than "can I click before him?". Lots of thought there (though admittedly you have to think fast).

[tesco samoa]

TOAW (if you like the strategic level IMO there is nothing better), the same is true for SPWaW on tactical level.

my votes for those games...

also

steel panthers 1

panzer general
allied general
battles of destny
empire
mule
shogun total war
pacific war
any of the battle ground games
perfect geneal

[Taz-in-Space]

The Last turn-based game I've gotten is Battlefleet 1939. It is shareware.
You can get it at: WWW.BATTLE-FLEET.COM

Registration is about $18 US

[Saarud]

[quote]Originally posted by klausD:

The boardgame was not that complex like the computer game but for an old wargamer (ASL, Streets of Stalingrad, Advanced 3rd Reich to name just a few) complexity has no meaning.

LOL yes I have those game and ASL is just one class itself when it comes to complexity. The reason I love ASL is because of it's complexity and I just love to sit and read the rules but I would rate it rather low on playabilty as it envolves more reading and rereading rules than actual playing.

Perhaps if you have played the AH boardgame Empire in Arms you might be glad to hear that a company is in process of converting it to PC. They are trying to keep it as true to the boardgame as possible.

[ March 21, 2003, 06:06: Message edited by: Saarud ]

[Atraikius]

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Originally posted by klausD:

The boardgame was not that complex like the computer game but for an old wargamer (ASL, Streets of Stalingrad, Advanced 3rd Reich to name just a few) complexity has no meaning.
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LOL yes I have those game and ASL is just one class itself when it comes to complexity. The reason I love ASL is because of it's complexity and I just love to sit and read the rules but I would rate it rather low on playabilty as it envolves more reading and rereading rules than actual playing.

ASL is my favorite game of any sort, just can't find people to play against. As for complexity, did you ever play SL towards the end, I had played that since it first came out, and by the time they made ASL, SL was a nightmare and ASL is fairly simple.

[klausD]

Perhaps if you have played the AH boardgame Empire in Arms you might be glad to hear that a company is in process of converting it to PC. They are trying to keep it as true to the boardgame as possible.

Thats fine. I played Empires in Arms 2 times and it was great. I am not so fond of the new Eagle Game Napoleon in Europe with pLastik peaces (not a bad idea but the game mechanics are not tested well) Do you know if ADG has still World in Flames in its computer game conVersion pipeline?

glad to hear that there is somebody out there which is also very informed about serious games. (maybe there are more at this forum, but they are probably not posting )

Klaus